ValhallaPlate Updated to Version 1.5.0

[jens]

although I don't think Reaper has this

It doesn't have it as it doesn't need it because it doesn't have these weird restrictions either. Any plugin and any track can have any number of channels and they can be used/connected in any desired way - Reaper is fully modular (even allowing feedback if enabled for the project)

[Beatworld]

Hi all

Changes since the initial 1.0.0 release:

- Lots of new presets from Don Gunn

Looking forward to hearing your feedback!

Sean Costello

[comfortablynick]

although I don't think Reaper has this

It doesn't have it as it doesn't need it because it doesn't have these weird restrictions either. Any plugin and any track can have any number of channels and they can be used/connected in any desired way - Reaper is fully modular (even allowing feedback if enabled for the project)

Yes, but in this case, Reaper makes it quite a bit more difficult to achieve a true mono reverb with Valhalla Plate. Unless there's some simple way I haven't thought of yet.

And Reaper allows you to have any number of channels, as long as it's a multiple of 2. If it truly let you have any number of channels, we could set it to "1" and it would be a simple way to have a mono channel.

Nick

[ere2learn]

Would disabling input pin #2 & forcing output on #1 work?....I dont have VP yet so cant check

[valhallasound]

Would disabling input pin #2 & forcing output on #1 work?....I dont have VP yet so cant check

I would have the input go in on both input pins, and just take the output from one of the pins. Then, I guess you pan this output where you want it to go. I'm not a Reaper expert, so someone else would have to verify this works.

Sean Costello

[IIRs]

Yes that should work fine.

The only possible issue would be with a plug that detects the number of channels and changes it's behaviour accordingly: I don't think there's any way to have Reaper report just one channel.

[valhallasound]

Yes that should work fine.

The only possible issue would be with a plug that detects the number of channels and changes it's behaviour accordingly: I don't think there's any way to have Reaper report just one channel.

Does Reaper have the option for multi-mono? This is a good format for using on stereo tracks, where you want to preserve the panning image, and don't care about having a decorrelated output image. It is essentially a mono reverb that works on multiple channels.

[valhallasound]

One of the engineers for Adele posted on Gearslutz. The reverb on the latest record is probably Bricasti, with Echoboy for predelay.

Sean Costello

I didn't see the post you mention on Gearslutz but this interview with Tom Elmhirst (who mixed the majority of the album) sheds some light on the vocal effects used. It's an interesting read.

For those that don't want to read the article, it seems like most of the reverbs used were the chambers and plates at Capitol Recording in LA. The plates would be EMT140, but the chambers are totally unique to Capitol Recording. Mono input, stereo output chambers, with the left and right signals being taken from "lightly coupled" sections of the physical space.

The Valhalla recommendation for this sort of sound: ValhallaPlate. Use one of the new mono-in modes for the EMT140 sounds, or the Copper, Unobtanium, or upcoming Lithium mode for the reverb chambers. The chamber sounds in ValhallaPlate are kinda "plate chambers" in that they have dispersion, but they can have a high enough modal density to approximate real chambers.

LX_Nen just posted an article about the making of the new Adele record from the Apple Logic Pro blog:

https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/in-acti ... tin-adele/

It looks like ValhallaVintageVerb WAS used on "Hello." For a guitar part. I presume that the vocals used the Capitol Studios chambers. Still, it is pretty exciting to know that one of my plugins was used on that song.

Sean Costello

[Christian_D]

That's really cool man! It's got to feel great having created something that played a part in that very popular song.

[jens]

Would disabling input pin #2 & forcing output on #1 work?....I dont have VP yet so cant check

Yes, that's basically how it's done - just route both track channels to the same Input channel of the plugin and the same Output channel to both track-channels - these are stereo insert-points and what you do is more or less the same as using two mono Y-cables on a single channel of a stero device.

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/u ... ngs.45635/

(so in your screenshot the inputs still need to be both set to channel 1 too - as it is, channel 2 goes nowhere i.e. you used one mono cable to route channel 1 to the devices first input channel instead of a Y-cable that routes both channels to the same input)

It's really simple actually, once you understand that Reaper doesn't have arbitrary nonsensical restrictions. It doesn't know "mono" or "stereo" because it doesn't need to. It leaves the choice/decision entirely in the hands of the user how to use any channel(s).

[jens]

I would have the input go in on both input pins, and just take the output from one of the pins. Then, I guess you pan this output where you want it to go. I'm not a Reaper expert, so someone else would have to verify this works.

Yes, indeed - you bet me to it - of course the output needs to be the same channel as you use for the Input (well, this of course depends on the device's internal routing too, but still (I think with a so called "true stereo" reverb you would get silence otherwise)).

[jens]

It looks like ValhallaVintageVerb WAS used on "Hello." For a guitar part. I presume that the vocals used the Capitol Studios chambers. Still, it is pretty exciting to know that one of my plugins was used on that song.

Congrats!

There are surely worse endorsements imagineable than this song.

[comfortablynick]

It's really simple actually, once you understand that Reaper doesn't have arbitrary nonsensical restrictions. It doesn't know "mono" or "stereo" because it doesn't need to. It leaves the choice/decision entirely in the hands of the user how to use any channel(s).

Well, as I mentioned earlier, it does know the number of channels in a track. The only option not available is to use a single channel since it has to be a multiple of two. I think it would truly be left in the hands of the user if we could specify any number of channels for a track.

Because mono tracks are so common in my projects (and others' as well, I assume), it would be nice not to have to fiddle with plugin pin connections all the time. I would prefer the option to instantiate plugins as mono (for ease-of-routing and CPU consumption reasons).

Anyway, with respect to Valhalla Plate I will have to test it in "mono mode" in Logic, and see if I can get identical results when screwing around with the pin connections in Reaper.

Nick

[jens]

hm... maybe I misunderstand you, but... you see:

- in Reaper you can load any mono version of any plugin on a Stereo track without having to touch the Routing at all. Reaper does it automatically for you. CPU consumption is then usually lower than the Stereo version (as it would be in any other host), depending on the plugin in question

- if you load a stereo plugin on a mono-track (if possible at all) in another host
I don't think it is possible that this preserves any CPU at all (in comparison to a loading the same plugin on a stereo-track) - how would the plugin know? All the host does is to automatically and permanently do the double y-cable type of routing you can do manually in Reaper at any point. If you however load a plugin that has a switchable mono-mode (such as MJUC for instance), CPU consumption is then usually lower than the Stereo version in any host, depending on the plugin in question

- if you have a mono-track, on which you want to use at least one stereo-insert (such as Valhalla Plate for instance), then you need two track-channels for this.

- so in short: using Stereo tracks for mono-sources in Reaper a) doesn't really waste CPU, b) doesn't require having to touch the pin-connections. Just load the mono version of the plugin if available / use the mono-switch if available and let Reaper do the rest. (Of course it depends on where in the insert path the plugin sits - a mono-EQ after Valhalla Plate is only sensible on a mono-source if you want to purposely use Plate as a mono-reverb.)

[comfortablynick]

Yes my experience has definitely been different and I prefer the way other DAWs handle mono, but I didn't mean to take the thread this far off topic.

I'll have to do some testing with a DAW that allows "mono" instances and I'll see what settings are necessary to get the same result in Reaper. I do love the mono plate/chamber sound from time to time!

Nick