Wusik DAW ZO

[chaosWyrM]

I swore I was done after Wusik 4000 was released in what looked to me to be a rough beta stage, only to immediately be replaced by Wusik 8000. But then the deal to upgrade to the latest Wusikstation was such a pittance that I couldn't pass it up, and got Wusik 8000 thrown in for free.

nearly the exact thing with me...nearly. i havent been so forgiving though. wusik 4000 wasnt "replaced" by wusik 8000...if that were the case i wouldnt have been to miffed.

what he did was never finish the promised features of 4000 and then rolled those into 8000 and asked for more $$ as though it were a new product when it wasnt.

dont get me wrong...i really do like wusik station, and wusik 4000...but the way he played it left a really bad taste in my mouth.

would i buy from him again? maybe...if it was a complete and fully functioning finished product ...maybe. ill never go in for a pre order though...not no way, not no how.

[Orbit-50]

My concern is this developer may be overextending themselves. I guess we'll see. Two of the new products are replacements for things he sold on preorder already, I dunno, that's not ideal.

No. It's usually not. Picture Steinberg or Ableton pulling crap like that. I'm not against Willy K, but this type of marketing is nothing more than "How can I get some free cash flow by selling I.O.U.'s?" type marketing. I've seen lots and lots of promises from Wusik for years now. Hope it works out in the end for all parties involved.

[braj]

I'm not against Willy K, but this type of marketing is nothing more than "How can I get some free cash flow by selling I.O.U.'s?" type marketing.

Yeah, honestly, he may be a 'nice guy' but that is not a nice way to do business. If he can't run the business side adequately, he should go get a job. Selling promises shouldn't be allowed on KVR.

[Nielzie]

I'm not against Willy K, but this type of marketing is nothing more than "How can I get some free cash flow by selling I.O.U.'s?" type marketing.

Yeah, honestly, he may be a 'nice guy' but that is not a nice way to do business. If he can't run the business side adequately, he should go get a job. Selling promises shouldn't be allowed on KVR.

Hmmm.. I must be very lucky then because somehow I always got way more worth than I did pay for in the end with Wusik goodness.

Yes, mostly through preorders and groupbuys, but still..

[braj]

I'm not against Willy K, but this type of marketing is nothing more than "How can I get some free cash flow by selling I.O.U.'s?" type marketing.

Yeah, honestly, he may be a 'nice guy' but that is not a nice way to do business. If he can't run the business side adequately, he should go get a job. Selling promises shouldn't be allowed on KVR.

Hmmm.. I must be very lucky then because somehow I always got way more worth than I did pay for in the end with Wusik goodness.

Yes, mostly through preorders and groupbuys, but still..

So, you're preordering then?

[Nielzie]

I'm not against Willy K, but this type of marketing is nothing more than "How can I get some free cash flow by selling I.O.U.'s?" type marketing.

Yeah, honestly, he may be a 'nice guy' but that is not a nice way to do business. If he can't run the business side adequately, he should go get a job. Selling promises shouldn't be allowed on KVR.

Hmmm.. I must be very lucky then because somehow I always got way more worth than I did pay for in the end with Wusik goodness.

Yes, mostly through preorders and groupbuys, but still..

So, you're preordering then?

I might, yes. If I would have a need for one of these products. Not sure yet. What I do know is that William is imho a very talented and passionate developer who works extremely hard.

So, you are a dissapointed customer I guess? How much did you pay and what did you get for it?

[braj]

I own Wusikstation 7, which has never made it onto a track. Was it OK for the price? sure, I don't recall what I paid, but I'm not complaining about that. But would I buy a non-existent product after learning of the other announced product it replaces was never released either? I think not. He may be talented in one area, but marketing his wares, not so much.

[braj]

So, it must be because I am a 'disappointed customer' not the obviously flawed business model. Nice.

[LawrenceF]

My thoughts...

People should be allowed to do anything legal really, and what he's doing is legal. It's up to each individual consumer whether they'd want to buy into something 'in progress' or not so... I'd disagree with any idea of banning him from doing it on a given website. That's seems a little over the top to me, mmv.

At the end of the day, it's still just a optional choice for anyone thinking about it. Nobody ever has to give him any money until a product exists if they don't ever want to so... his marketing approach doesn't offend or dismay me in any way at all.

If he can pull it off, more power to him.

In other words, I was only curious about how many people do that, or how common it might be or not, just random curiosity really. Don't really care so much that some people do that or that he asks for that. And of course, whether or not his marketing approach succeeds for him or not is well beyond irrelevant to me, mmv, it's his company, not mine.

[Nielzie]

So, it must be because I am a 'disappointed customer' not the obviously flawed business model. Nice.

So you must at people who are currently satisfied customers. Nice.

What I mean is, you do have a point on his marketing practices, but somehow you do not hear grief from many customers who complain in the end, because he does deliver a lot (to a lot of cusomers I guess) for very low prices.

We could bash him here endlessly (there are some people) until everyone at kvr bewares to pay for any of his products/projects again and sink his whole company, but imho he is one passionate hard working developer who does not deserve that.

[braj]

I'm not bashing him, or his products, I am criticizing his marketing policies. This isn't personal dude. So, where's the info for this new DAW that is already being sold? That you don't see the issue here, I dunno, I don't know why you are so upset. Lots of passionate, hard working developers don't do these sorts of things. That he is a nice guy doesn't make his policies good for customers.

[braj]

So you must at people who are currently satisfied customers. Nice.

Nice try at misconstruing what I said. I was at YOU.

[trimph1]

After getting dinged with pre-ordering certain model trains from a few manufacturers I am very skittish about pre-ordering period.

There had better be a product before I part with my $$$$

[BBFG#]

Wusik proves time and time again what Barnum said.
"There's one born every minute."

[Nielzie]

So you must at people who are currently satisfied customers. Nice.

Nice try at misconstruing what I said. I was at YOU.

Ahhh just a personal attack for no obvious reason, I see.. sorry dude, I didn't mean to upset you on the internet that much