Korg Minilogue

[bungle]

I have no bones in this argument, not even read the whole back and forth to be honest, but watched a bunch of demos and listened to a bunch of audio, there are definitely clicks on this that should not be there as far as i'm concerned and it has stopped me pulling the trigger so far

[IncarnateX]

I dare you to answer my question.
Send it back or keep it.
Simple.

Piss off, piss ant.

Now back to the topic: Does clicking seems to be a universal problem with minilogue? Answer: Not at all. A vid has shown that there may be some unwanted clickings, which could be due to a technical problem, on a few patches, and this may even be restricted to this single unit as far as we know from other reviews. Further views on it will be posted when I get my freaking unit.

[marinedalek]

It's interesting that certain users on an *audio* forum, when presented with data that contradicts their feverish assertions, respond by putting their fingers in their ears...

I should however point out that even if you cannot readily *hear* a click in a more complex patch, it will still nevertheless have the potential to cause issues when preparing a mix. As the click necessarily introduces lower frequencies, it will contribute to low-end "muddiness" in a mix unless filtered out. Now, if your patch has fundamentals around middle C or higher that's not too bad, because the click has already started to attenuate somewhat at that frequency. Furthermore, you can tame the low-end of the click using a steep high-pass or low shelf. However, if you were to play a deep bass, any attempts at taming the untuned click through filtering would unduly affect the tuned fundamental and harmonics of the note. Bear in mind that a deep bass pulse such as this (down to DC) certainly won't do your woofers any favours should you use a speaker system with subsonic bass response (yes, they exist.). Remember: subsonic fundamentals are often used in music because, although inaudible, they can still be physically "felt" by a listener, hence why certain church organ stops are pitched as low as 8 Hz.

I'm not saying to anyone "don't buy this synth" - if you want it, you want it. All I am trying to do is present enough data for people to make an informed decision, taking into account the pros and cons. No synthesiser is perfect, to pretend so would be ridiculous, and naturally as prices lower corners get cut. That doesn't mean that it's invalid to show where corners were cut, and to explain how they can affect usage down the line.

Take the example of electric guitars in the same price bracket - quite often they require a fret levelling and setup straight out of the box to play at their best and minimise fret buzz, due to the shortcomings that naturally result from inexpensive mass-manufacture of an instrument that by its very nature requires fine-tuning (as with an analogue synth). Would it be wrong to warn people of this likelihood, or in your opinion would I be hating on cheap guitars and being a pretentious super-guitar fanboy? For the record I own one of said inexpensive guitars and haven't had a fret-levelling done yet because I can live with it and don't need it to sound fantastic for recording. However, I went into the purchase knowing the potential pitfalls because people had posted about them. If instead everyone was to say "Oh, it's $500, it's great!" and mentally absorb any price-point-related issues, then I'd have wondered what the hell was going on when I received a guitar with uneven fret heights. Knowledge is power. Fanboyism serves only to give everyone unrealistic expectations of what they are going to buy. Sure it's "only" $500, but that's still a lot of money to a lot of people so they deserve to know what they're getting.

[IncarnateX]

You haven't presented shit, Gandhi. A spectrogram from a short snippet of the clicking vid + an interpretation, which you claim is the truth and now you want people to consider this as data from, which to make informed decisions. And now you even claim that even if the clicks cannot be heard they still have an negative effect. Very smart. Don't know who are the biggest joke in terms of scentific proof, you or Mutant but the entertaintment value is great.

[DJ Warmonger]

And now you even claim that even if the clicks cannot be heard they still have an negative effect

Yes, absolutely. The fact that you can't hear something directly or clearly doesn't mean it will never cause troubles in complete mix.

1. Even though low frequencies cannot be heard on youtube videos, but they might be more significant with proper audio system.
2. DC offset might be dangerous for some audio system
3. Nonlinear processors might work incorrectly in presence of DC offset
4. Dynamic range is reduced

The engineering is all about checking objective facts rather that subjective perception. I would like to hear official Korg statement on this issues.

[Bach666]

You haven't presented shit, Gandhi. A spectrogram from a short snippet of the clicking vid + an interpretation, which you claim is the truth and now you want people to consider this as data from, which to make informed decisions. And now you even claim that even if the clicks cannot be heard they still have an negative effect. Very smart. Don't know who are the biggest joke in terms of scentific proof, you or Mutant but the entertaintment value is great.

I registered on this forum just so I could respond to you. Are you some sort of child or something? Is this your very first synth? Grow up.

[IncarnateX]

Yes, absolutely. The fact that you can't hear something directly or clearly doesn't mean it will never cause troubles in complete mix

Sure dude, but how do you prove this to be the case from the clicking vid and the spectrogram of the snippet? And are you claiming that it concerns all units on all settings from that vid? That would be a friggin joke. Come again when any this can be proven or you might as well tell me that the minilogue are exeptionally sensitive to earthbeams.

However, your assertion is a possibility, proven or not, I' ll give you that, but frankly why not just buy the synth and use your 30 days return warrenty if it turns ot to be a disaster? Korg may BS you on the subject if you complain (not that I think they would). Try out yourself. No need for "experts" from the internet here.

[IncarnateX]

I registered on this forum just so I could respond to you. Are you some sort of child or something? Is this your very first synth? Grow up.

Yes sure you did, Mutant or marinedalek or Mutant's/marinedalek's mother or boyfriend.

[IncarnateX]

Fortunately, all these assertions are soon going to be empirical questions to me (and others). Promise to return and give my honest report on it. If there are clicking everywhere or muddiness, which I suspect is due to accummulated clicks, I will tell ya. Can't hear anything from the vids so far, but hey maybe the clicks subliminal too, affecting my perception beyond my awareness?

[Mutant]

I registered on this forum just so I could respond to you. Are you some sort of child or something? Is this your very first synth? Grow up.

Yes sure you did, Mutant or marinedalek or Mutant's/marinedalek's mother or boyfriend.

I knew you would repond to his post with something like this.
I am fairly sure it is illegal by rules on this forum to have more than 1 account, go and report him - we will see what will happen.

[IncarnateX]

I registered on this forum just so I could respond to you. Are you some sort of child or something? Is this your very first synth? Grow up.

Yes sure you did, Mutant or marinedalek or Mutant's/marinedalek's mother or boyfriend.

I knew you would repond to his post with something like this.
I am fairly sure it is illegal by rules on this forum to have more than 1 account, go and report him - we will see what will happen.

As if I would give a f.u.c.k about who that really is and what "it" wants to say. What is a "sort of child" anyway, something that grows on trees?

And BTW: If it's your mother, it could be true that she just registered.

[Bach666]

I have an account over at Gearslutz too. Seriously though, how many synths do you own? It sounds like you convinced your mom to buy you this synth or something, and you're having a tantrum because people are criticizing it.

[IncarnateX]

So owning more synths makes you smarter?
Oh dear. Seems like Gearslutz's kindergarden plans an invasion of KVR to spread their shared philosophy
FWIW I have owned more synths in my life than you have pubic hairs, that I am pretty sure of.

[Bach666]

So owning more synths makes you smarter?
Oh dear. Seems like Gearslutz's kindergarden plans an invasion of KVR to spread their shared philosophy
FWIW I have owned more synths in my life than you have pubic hairs, that I am pretty sure of.

I'm actually really surprised I'm wrong then. I thought for certain you were a child or had some sort of mental disability. I can't understand how someone would be so emotionally invested in a synth they haven't even played yet to act out the way you do.

[3ee]

wow... lame!

Can we please just drop it and return to the good times, talking about the synth?
Like:

I really like what I've learned about the synth so far ( probably watched every/most video(s) so far), I'm also concerned about a potential DC offset problem... my GUESS is that there are a few faulty "pre-launch" units... I wouldn't mind a slight click myself (but seems quite severe in some examples and it's clearly not the envelope times/shapes AFAIK... so I understand why people worry... )

For those who are grumpy... have a cookie!