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akira · Post by **akira** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:10 pm

Hi everybody...
I'm just curious, if people who use pirated presets in commercial songs have been sentenced...
and what penalty they have to expect.

Slaapstadseun · Post by **Slaapstadseun** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:23 pm

Interesting question.
How would a sound designed prove that his presets were pirated?

nineofkings · Post by **nineofkings** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 4:39 pm

Slaapstadseun wrote:Interesting question.
How would a sound designed prove that his presets were pirated?

That's the issue. It's difficult to prove the preset wasn't recreated from scratch or bought from a third-party vendor who pirated it - in which case the vendor would be infringing, not the end user.

stardustmedia · Post by **stardustmedia** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:01 pm

In a release song, no way... And I don't think so, that there was ever a prosecution.

But re-selling "pirated" presets is another issue. If the pirate is not intelligent enough to get rid of all possible traces back to the original creator. It'd be "fairly" easy to prove the re-seller stole it.

Still, if the re-seller changed all presets here and there and they don't sound the same, and he doesn't use same graphics and names etc. I bet he would get away. I don't think you can 100% secure presets, because EVERYBODY can actually create them themselves.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:04 pm

It's just impossible to find out if a preset was "pirated" or not.
What's the difference (in the end result) between using an illegally downloaded preset, or using that same preset at a friend's place (who bought it legally).
I know piracy and theft isn't the same, but in this context it can be comparable... how can anybody ever find out (from the released recording) if I stole a certain guitar from a shop, bought it myself, or just borrowed it from someone?

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 5:10 pm

stardustmedia wrote:I don't think you can 100% secure presets, because EVERYBODY can actually create them themselves.

Don't forget, presets aren't necessarily settings for a synth. There are also presets in a sample library - you can't just create that original recording yourself.
But I don't know what that has to do with "security"...

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Jan 24, 2016 7:18 pm

akira wrote:Hi everybody...
I'm just curious, if people who use pirated presets in commercial songs have been sentenced...
and what penalty they have to expect.

That question is naive. I don't know if you produce by yourself but without tweaking the presets and also layering and further processing they will hardly fit in any track. So the same preset can sound completely different in the right hands and there's no chance to say it is this preset or that preset (doesn't matter if bought or stolen).

One question: Keep away the point with pirated presets then which commercial tracks you know that use a certain preset from a soundbank? Most of the time it's the other way around a cool sound will then be build and find it way into many soundbanks especially in dance genre (Animals for example).

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:27 am

it would be next to impossible to prove. not just presets but pirated anything (like vsts or sample packs), unless maybe if you could get a hold of the persons computer and look at the files...which you would never be able to do because you could never show a reason to suspect piracy in the first place.

Dominus · Post by **Dominus** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:59 pm

chaosWyrM wrote:it would be next to impossible to prove. not just presets but pirated anything (like vsts or sample packs), unless maybe if you could get a hold of the persons computer and look at the files...which you would never be able to do because you could never show a reason to suspect piracy in the first place.

FYI, your logo looks pretty similar to the Carpathian Forest logo.

chaosWyrM · Post by **chaosWyrM** » Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:08 pm

Dominus wrote:
chaosWyrM wrote:it would be next to impossible to prove. not just presets but pirated anything (like vsts or sample packs), unless maybe if you could get a hold of the persons computer and look at the files...which you would never be able to do because you could never show a reason to suspect piracy in the first place.
FYI, your logo looks pretty similar to the Carpathian Forest logo.

lol...i guess it does. ive never heard of them. though...to be fair...my logo looks similar to a lot of things since it incorporates the common symbol for chaos.

http://www.google.com/search?q=chaos+sy ... 60&bih=994

i dont mind saying...i like mine better. aside from the cf initials stuck in the center...i dont see what their logo represents. what does the chaos symbol and barbed wire have to do with the band? my guess is nothing.

mine has the c and w initials...and also imagery for both chaos and wyrm.

Sparky77 · Post by **Sparky77** » Sat Jan 30, 2016 1:47 pm

akira wrote:Hi everybody...
I'm just curious, if people who use pirated presets in commercial songs have been sentenced...
and what penalty they have to expect.

Why not just pay for them?

Most presets are not very expensive.

Support the products you want in your music if you like them so much.

Then you dont have to worry about getting caught.

Make sense?

Pirated presets in commercial or public songs?