Klanghelm MJUC and MJUC jr. released

[3ee]

Okay... I'll bite...

Complyfox,

whoops honest mistake (I remember the phone auto-correcting the word but didn't look closely while changing it back... )

as much as your comments about external sidechain and M/S ... I think you're way too conservative and see more of the bad side of things, at least it seems that way to me. I really really care for mono compatibility, I use M/S tools to help in that respect...

Is there really THAT MUCH of a difference (phase wise) compared to a channel linked stereo(!) compressor?

it's not about phase-wise for me here, it's about they really act differently ... for example if I'll have a drum bus and some stereo percussion are very pokey, M/S will tame them without changing their position in the stereo image while L/R won't ... it's a different behavior ... at least that's what I perceive.

[Compyfox]

Have you tried a compressor where you can manually link/unlink the channels? Just to see if there is a difference?

Granted, with a "linked channels", if there is a rogue peak on the L, then the R is also affected. But it won't affect the stereo field. If the compressor channels are "unlinked", then you get a slight stereo field motion.

Now M/S would mean, that the "center" signal is being treated more than the S signal if the compressor is "linked", here an unlinked compressor with a M/S matrix (pre and post) would do what you desire to do, no?


Still - this compressor is not(!) made for that purpose. This is why surgical compressors/limiters exist. At least IMO and all that.

[3ee]

^ I unlink detection all the time when I want "stereo" separate L/R compression sure, I though it wasn't a need to mention...

And I use M/S usually to make things narrower.... by not affecting the mid (or only a bit), and compressing the sides harder to keep the image more uniform. It's simply not the same as compressing L and R separately, that's why M/S is not L/R, they are very different...

Now that I think of it, M/S is actually doing what we though/expected L/R would do in terms of un-linking channels on the detectors.

I personally think that MJUC would be perfect for M/S support as any tool used on buses and I use MJUC even on the master bus sometimes...

And not to complicate things with double the amount of controls for each channel, a simple fix would be to add a single feature and that would be to have the ability to adjust the input detection level "balance" so you'll affect one more than the other channel.

[Compyfox]

Now that I think of it, M/S is actually doing what we though/expected L/R would do in terms of un-linking channels on the detectors.

I personally think that MJUC would be perfect for M/S support as any tool used on buses and I use MJUC even on the master bus sometimes...

Again, the concept is completely different. Unless there is an "unlink" button in an update, you can't do what you propose here. So you have (depending on your host) a couple of alternatives:

a) a modular subhost with the following chain inside of it: M/S Encoder -> Splits L/R into M/S -> M to an own compressor, S to an own compressor -> both into an M/S Decoder (converting the signal back to L/R)

b) similar routing with AUX busses


Should there ever be an update to "unlink" the channels and not destroy backwards compatibility (see below), then you can do this with three plugins: M/S Encoder -> MJUC -> M/S Decoder

That, or use one of the many Fairchild clones that can be "unlinked" for the time being (IKM, Slate VBC, VoS Density, etc) and use something like bx_control pre and post the plugin (or anything else that can encode/decode signals into/from M/S).

And not to complicate things with double the amount of controls for each channel, a simple fix would be to add a single feature and that would be to have the ability to adjust the input detection level "balance" so you'll affect one more than the other channel.

A couple of not to underestimate issues pop up (along with the FR to "unlink" the channels in stereo mode):
a) screen space needed for the switches
b) backwards compatibility will be an issue
c) more code being involved
d) which in turn means new beta testing, bug hunting and higher maintenance post release


Again - I do understand what you want to do, I do understand your desire for convenience - but MJUC is just not concepted for this purpose. And with the "add on panel" at the bottom, it's already more advanced than it was originally planned to be. Any further add-on will transform this into a completely different beast.

If you still need M/S treatment, use any other technical compressor/limiter for that - or a modular subhost where you have independent control over L and R.

[BDeep]

Should there ever be an update to "unlink" the channels and not destroy backwards compatibility (see below), then you can do this with three plugins: M/S Encoder -> MJUC -> M/S Decoder

There is a dual mono mode, which is of course unlinked. Although it doesn't give you control over both left and right channels (ie, settings will always be the same).

[Compyfox]

Since I'm not on PT or Logic, I can assume that is only the case there. CubEndo/Wavelab only has mono or stereo.

And even then, it's "linked parameters" (global for L/R). The channels do work independent already (stereo and dual mono).

MJUC mk3 default cal 0.png

Take note of the "color" of the plot. Below 1kHz it's turning somewhat "violet" (L/R flutters around too much, creating this color), else "red" is dominating in this plot. This means that the plugin works independent for L/R and/or has some sort of crosstalk going on.

If the module would work "similar" for both channels (L/R), read it'd be mono compatible, then the plot would be pink.


Example with the IKM Fairchild:

IKM Fairchild Link and LR.png

You can clearly see the blue (L) shining through the red (R).

IKM Fairchild Lat Vert.png

There you go "both signals treated equally" (mono compatible) due to M/S circuity


Keep in mind, the "drive" of MJUC can be fully turned off, resulting in a noise floor of -140dBFS as well. But then again, why would we want to do that - we got this compressor just for this purpose: "having character" (being "imperfect")

[Compyfox]

And before you ask... (this didn't fit into the other post, only three attachments allowed)
Variety of Sound's (bootsie) Density MkIII, with Stateful Saturation.

Stateful Saturation (at least the latter incarnation, and if I understood it correctly) does(!) introduce some slight crosstalk, so no "pink" plot (L/R being equal).

Density MkIII - Stereo Link.png

Density MkIII - MS.png

[Jorgeelalto]

Great plugin, MJUCjr made me buy this and SDRR. I only have a question, why isn't MJUC in the KVR plugin database? I can't add it to My KVR.

Great job, and already waiting for the VUMT and SDRR updates :3 This is the kind of things paying is worth for.

[Compyfox]

Well I can't answer why MJUC is not in the database "yet" - but I can at least say that the VUMT update is definitely in the works...

However, there is no known release date for VUMT v2 available yet - and once that hits, add 2-3 additional months before any news surface for an SDRR update because of bugfixing and customer support of the VUMT update. Tony is a "one man army" after all.

[Jorgeelalto]

Tony is a "one man army" after all.

I know. That's one of the reasons why I bought MJUC and SDRR.

I didn't meant I can't wait for it, I just wanted to say that I'm going to be a buyer of those plugins, and the ones who come after them...

[incubus]

Mini-resurrection:

I'm about to "try" the "jr" version completely for the hell of it. It's noy the daddy I know, but supposedly it will give me a "good idea" of the full version.

But I have to ask, based on youtube, forums, and audio examples.........

Can ANYONE please explain to me the unbelievable hype from this thing? And why doesn't it have an animal association like bitwig?????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! (fish and cats are obviously taken! )

[ATN69]

Mini-resurrection:

I'm about to "try" the "jr" version completely for the hell of it. It's noy the daddy I know, but supposedly it will give me a "good idea" of the full version.

But I have to ask, based on youtube, forums, and audio examples.........

Can ANYONE please explain to me the unbelievable hype from this thing? And why doesn't it have an animal association like bitwig?????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! (fish and cats are obviously taken! )

I don't know what the hype is about but I did buy both SDRR and MJUC. What you get in MJUC are basically 3 compressors in one. Each having its own character. It is easy to understand and operat, and it have all the necessary settings. There are also included some other nice features like AGC, Density, etc. It also comes with a load of presets for those who like that. And you get all of this for peanut Money. It's a lot for the buck I would say. Is it the best compressor on the market? ..well, probably not but it is more than good enough. My advice is to check out the SDRR while you are at it. There is also a free limited version of that one called IVGI.

[pixel85]

Like above + imo jr is like 1/20 of full version potential. For me 'ou yeah!' was when I tried full version

[Compyfox]

Can ANYONE please explain to me the unbelievable hype from this thing? And why doesn't it have an animal association like bitwig?????????????????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!! (fish and cats are obviously taken! )

It's a "non-usual-suspect" compressor, a forerunner "type" to many popular known ones. Think more on the lines of Abbey Road/EMI RS124 compressor and later the Gates SA39 (also see SKNote - which eats 10% the CPU for breakfast), later the Fairchild 670 - to some extend the LA2A.

And this is what it makes it so special... it's a different sound. More "raw", softer in certain areas, aggressive in others. It's not like DC8C, which is a purely technical compressor. This one is simple, has character (if you want to), straightforward to use. No thinking of xyz setting possibilities and what affects what (think other technical compressors like DMG Compressive, U-HE Presswerk, Cockos ReaComp).


I guess this is why there is so much hupe for MJUC.

[Agreed]

Just getting back to working with audio, but this is on my radar as one to check out ASAP. I've had a lot of great use out of my other Klanghelm plugins, and as usual you've priced this very affordably so no real barrier to entry. And I still get to check out the concept first because of the freebie. You offer, consistently, some of the highest value out there. Thanks man.