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jabe · Post by **jabe** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 12:45 am

koolkeys wrote:I believe that either Tracktion or Pro Tools were the FIRST to have MIDI editing.

That strikes me as rather unlikely, I'm afraid. Before we had what are now called DAWs, there were sequencers, which were MIDI only. It was much later before audio was added. My first ever software sequencer for PC was made by a company called Prism. I forget its name now, but it ran under DOS, so even preceded Windows 3. In the mid-1980s I had a very limited one that I used on an Amstrad CPC 664; it could send three notes via MIDI and also produce a few 8-bit drum noises. I directed the output to a Tascam Portastudio, which I've had since 1984 (and it still looks like it just came out of the box).

Tracktion (2002) is far too young to have been the first to allow MIDI editing. Pro Tools under its previous names might be a contender; along with Cubase and others, it dates back to the 1980s when such software commonly ran on Atari computers. I have magazines dating back that far - the adverts and prices make fascinating reminders.

The Prism one allowed sorting and editing or adding of any kind of MIDI event at all - you could over-type the values, add CCs and SysEx commands, all sorts. I've not seen anything with quite that amount of control. It may not be fast enough workflow for music makers of 2016.

A couple of other threads on this board mention other very early sequencers:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7&t=456381
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7&t=456382

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 1:46 am

jabe wrote:
koolkeys wrote:I believe that either Tracktion or Pro Tools were the FIRST to have MIDI editing.
Tracktion (2002) is far too young to have been the first to allow MIDI editing.

He meant INLINE midi editing

jabe · Post by **jabe** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:14 am

pdxindy wrote:
jabe wrote:
koolkeys wrote:I believe that either Tracktion or Pro Tools were the FIRST to have MIDI editing.
Tracktion (2002) is far too young to have been the first to allow MIDI editing.
He meant INLINE midi editing

Ah! My mistake.

Pyrotek45 · Post by **Pyrotek45** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:34 am

worst midi editor I have ever tried. They need a separate piano roll or something.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:03 am

Pyrotek45 wrote:worst midi editor I have ever tried. They need a separate piano roll or something.

And that's kinda what I was saying in another thread to the scoff of some people. I'm not a "needy" guy with midi, but I found it clunky. Please don't ask me why, it's been quite some time since I demoed it.

Hoping the 7 is more streamlined.

Question: Are they showing version 7 pics on the site though advertising 6? Confused.

duncanm · Post by **duncanm** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 10:46 am

I do love traction 6 but it's flakiness with VST support really annoyed me. Arturia ones in particular. I hope that this is resolved.

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 11:30 am

Any news on a release yet ?

dupont · Post by **dupont** » Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:40 pm

bungle wrote:Any news on a release yet ?

TSC team said within 1 month.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Wed Feb 03, 2016 9:58 pm

The ground hog revealed it would be 3 more weeks of waiting yesterday

hoof123 · Post by **hoof123** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:55 pm

V7 being announced piqued my interest so I've been demoing v6 and I've been really enjoying it.

Is there anyway to group and warp multiple audio tracks simultaneously, like multi-tracked drums for example?

skipscada · Post by **skipscada** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:08 pm

duncanm wrote:I do love traction 6 but it's flakiness with VST support really annoyed me. Arturia ones in particular. I hope that this is resolved.

Report problematic VSTs, and they'll look at it.

duncanm · Post by **duncanm** » Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:06 pm

skipscada wrote:
duncanm wrote:I do love traction 6 but it's flakiness with VST support really annoyed me. Arturia ones in particular. I hope that this is resolved.
Report problematic VSTs, and they'll look at it.

Cheers, will do. Also not much of a fan of the fact it just removes them from the list entirely and I have absolutely no idea where they are if I wanted to try and get them scanned again.

PapaLazarou · Post by **PapaLazarou** » Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:10 pm

duncanm wrote:
skipscada wrote:
duncanm wrote:I do love traction 6 but it's flakiness with VST support really annoyed me. Arturia ones in particular. I hope that this is resolved.
Report problematic VSTs, and they'll look at it.
Cheers, will do. Also not much of a fan of the fact it just removes them from the list entirely and I have absolutely no idea where they are if I wanted to try and get them scanned again.

Doesn't it show any plugins that have been deactivated in the list? Like here from my install - bottom one in red is AIR Xpand!2 which doesn't work in Tracktion, and so has been disabled.

t6-scan.PNG

telephone · Post by **telephone** » Fri Feb 05, 2016 8:59 pm

Mivo wrote:I think my "problem" (it really isn't one) with Tracktion is how much it is still in flux. That by itself is fantastic, but these aren't free updates. I had bought T5 and the Groove3 video series along with it. Shortly after, T6 was announced, not a free update. Then a pay-for book, which fills the place of the non-existing manual. Less than a year later, T7 is coming around. The innovation and development speed is great, the fact that you pay every time while the software takes shape on a rather meta level isn't.

It's more about the principle here than the thirty bucks. In a way, I feel kind of cheap for mentioning this, because overall it's peanuts, but I look at Reaper or Renoise and the value is so much better there. You pay the same price for a license and you're good for several years of updates -- a lot of them, in case of Reaper. You get manuals, too.

Sure, compared to other products and their annual upgrade prices it's still inexpensive, but... well, I want to say they offer more than Tracktion and are more settled, but the truth is I don't use any of those DAWs either, precisely because of the recurring and scheduled update fees. I always feel this type of business model encourages and rewards developers to hold back features and fixes so they can stuff them in the next pay-for update. FL Studio has also spoiled me. It's nice to get lifetime upgrades even if the upfront cost is higher (than Tracktion's price).

I do like Tracktion, which is why the above doesn't sit right with me, why I care. I'm more torn than opposed, really. I think perhaps it's smartest to just wait a few years until Tracktion's development has settled. But that's kind of boring, too.

Jezus how well said! The way you express my feelings is stunning (ofcourse they are yours)! Nothing to add......i totally agree...
I'm a renoise owner aswell and that piece of software gives me good feelings regarding update policies.

metamorphosis · Post by **metamorphosis** » Sun Feb 07, 2016 1:08 am

I really don't give a shit. Each time I've checked out T5 and T6 they still have the same old bugs in them that I reported back in the early days of T4, and it doesn't improve. I give it 5 minutes each time, and inevitably I find 5 new bugs just by playing around. If you think serious studio professionals have time for this nonsense, you're wrong. We have time for stability, and tracktion isn't delivering, unfortunately - I'd like to see a professional product, not 'features'.
Thanks,
m

Tracktion 7 (Preview)