ARP 2600 Clone?

[Daags]

I was really interested in the TTSH clone project. I came really close to getting a set of boards. The project would have cost >$3000 and while that's a third of what a decent 2600 is selling for, it's still too much for me to spend on kit.

ya...I was pretty tempted too ...just to get the boards at first, and continue with the build as funds and solder skillz allowed. Anyway, glad I never did. Once the Korg-Arp Oddysey re-issue emerged I cooled off the idea, and I'm currently praying to the gods of GAS for a 2600 re-issue. Would be something else if they even include the various filter models, like the MS20 kits.

[electro]

For those who do think that TimewARP 2600 is not good enough i would recommend not to thery the free 2600 plugins as those sound much worse IMO.

While TimewARP 2600 is already old it is still one of the most analog sounding plugins IMO with a great low end.
When i did my commercial soundbank for Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V (that could do sample playback too...) some of the samples i had created for it were based on patches i had done with TimewARP 2600 (including some FM(crossmidulation stuff...).

The Arturia emulation is nice (got it with V-Collection 4) and has additional features like the step sequencer and multmode filter (that was not included in the real thing...) but IMO TimewARP 260 just sounds better.

I think its time for a Pace free 2.0 version Timewarp with added 1601 sequencer.

[ghettosynth]

I would love a real 2600.

One of m favourite soft synths is u-he ACE. It is loosely based on the architecture of the 2600 and can do a few of it's tricks. Sounds pretty decent to my ears, and at the price, it's a steal

Cheers

Scorb

You made me curious to try ACE. I have Bazille and it I love it, but I like to have 2600 emulations. I believe u-he can do it great in software while Korg might be able to nail it in hardware. NI also can do it in Reaktor, but it would be very cpu heavy I can imagine.

I really wish that u-he would do one like Arturia's design (I mean with Sequencer). Bazille can be the base for such project which is already more complex than ARP 2600.

Yes, but while we're talking about work for Urs, let's really task him with a few other features. The output VCAs need to be patchable from any other CV/gate source, e.g., the LFO, so that you can setup machines that play themselves and I'd love to see switchable models on the oscillators so you could choose a Bazille model or an ACE model.

[wagtunes]

FTR, I would pay mega bucks for a true ARP 2600 clone. The ARP 2600 used by The Who on "Won't Get Fooled Again" whichever model that was. Off the top of my head, I don't recall. But yeah, I'd pay mega bucks for such a VST.

[pdxindy]

I would love a real 2600.

One of m favourite soft synths is u-he ACE. It is loosely based on the architecture of the 2600 and can do a few of it's tricks. Sounds pretty decent to my ears, and at the price, it's a steal

Cheers

Scorb

You made me curious to try ACE. I have Bazille and it I love it, but I like to have 2600 emulations. I believe u-he can do it great in software while Korg might be able to nail it in hardware. NI also can do it in Reaktor, but it would be very cpu heavy I can imagine.

I really wish that u-he would do one like Arturia's design (I mean with Sequencer). Bazille can be the base for such project which is already more complex than ARP 2600.

Yes, but while we're talking about work for Urs, let's really task him with a few other features. The output VCAs need to be patchable from any other CV/gate source, e.g., the LFO, so that you can setup machines that play themselves and I'd love to see switchable models on the oscillators so you could choose a Bazille model or an ACE model.

Wouldn't that mean that voices would always be active and using CPU? (even when not making a sound). I think that is how that works... so ok for monophonic...

[ghettosynth]

I would love a real 2600.

One of m favourite soft synths is u-he ACE. It is loosely based on the architecture of the 2600 and can do a few of it's tricks. Sounds pretty decent to my ears, and at the price, it's a steal

Cheers

Scorb

You made me curious to try ACE. I have Bazille and it I love it, but I like to have 2600 emulations. I believe u-he can do it great in software while Korg might be able to nail it in hardware. NI also can do it in Reaktor, but it would be very cpu heavy I can imagine.

I really wish that u-he would do one like Arturia's design (I mean with Sequencer). Bazille can be the base for such project which is already more complex than ARP 2600.

Yes, but while we're talking about work for Urs, let's really task him with a few other features. The output VCAs need to be patchable from any other CV/gate source, e.g., the LFO, so that you can setup machines that play themselves and I'd love to see switchable models on the oscillators so you could choose a Bazille model or an ACE model.

Wouldn't that mean that voices would always be active and using CPU? (even when not making a sound). I think that is how that works... so ok for monophonic...

Yes, but, it's really not useful for polyphonic anyway, well, not without complications. Frankly, I'm ok with that for a pure monophonic/duophonic synth.

[ENV1]

Time for some ARP 2600 again.

The archive contains 2 clips:

1) A full-resonance filter sweep, 2600 Hardware vs 2600V. Its not as close a match as with the other clips id posted, but all in all its still pretty good, especially considering that Xavier wrote this VCF almost 10 years ago. I was able to simulate some of the real 4012s 'croakiness' by subtly modulating the cutoff at audiorate. (Sinewave, if i remember correctly.) What stands out the most in my opinion is that the real VCF sounds 'duller' whereas the emulated VCF sounds 'sharper'. (Which of course isnt necessarily a bad thing.)

2) A demonstration of the oscillating filter (solo) being modulated at audiorate. Sounds a bit like an old WorldWarII Tube-Receiver that got possessed by Aliens from the 9th dimension. (You know, the talkative kind.) Its an excerpt from a much longer session, (i.e. theres more), but i didnt want to make it too long because it just gets boring after a while. The usefulness factor is of course practically naught too, (unless youre into makings sounds for StarWars drones), but at least its somewhat funny. I called it the 'AlienChatroom'.


Enjoy!

[studiowaveform]

Urs said he wouldnt do anything unless he had the hardware. Anyone know of someone willing to lend a 2600?

[BDeep]

Yes, but while we're talking about work for Urs, let's really task him with a few other features. The output VCAs need to be patchable from any other CV/gate source, e.g., the LFO, so that you can setup machines that play themselves and I'd love to see switchable models on the oscillators so you could choose a Bazille model or an ACE model.

Wouldn't that mean that voices would always be active and using CPU? (even when not making a sound). I think that is how that works... so ok for monophonic...

Yes, but, it's really not useful for polyphonic anyway, well, not without complications. Frankly, I'm ok with that for a pure monophonic/duophonic synth.

Yeah, Aalto works like that, it's great fun.

[zerocrossing]

FTR, I would pay mega bucks for a true ARP 2600 clone. The ARP 2600 used by The Who on "Won't Get Fooled Again" whichever model that was. Off the top of my head, I don't recall. But yeah, I'd pay mega bucks for such a VST.

Seems like you were fooled. Again.

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/guitar/lowrey.html

[wagtunes]

FTR, I would pay mega bucks for a true ARP 2600 clone. The ARP 2600 used by The Who on "Won't Get Fooled Again" whichever model that was. Off the top of my head, I don't recall. But yeah, I'd pay mega bucks for such a VST.

Seems like you were fooled. Again.

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/guitar/lowrey.html

Okay, so then what song did they actually use the 2600 on. Was it Baba O Reily?

I know they owned one and used it.

[Ingonator]

FTR, I would pay mega bucks for a true ARP 2600 clone. The ARP 2600 used by The Who on "Won't Get Fooled Again" whichever model that was. Off the top of my head, I don't recall. But yeah, I'd pay mega bucks for such a VST.

Seems like you were fooled. Again.

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/guitar/lowrey.html

Okay, so then what song did they actually use the 2600 on. Was it Baba O Reily?

I know they owned one and used it.

Maybe this helps:
http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/guitar/arp.html

[wagtunes]

FTR, I would pay mega bucks for a true ARP 2600 clone. The ARP 2600 used by The Who on "Won't Get Fooled Again" whichever model that was. Off the top of my head, I don't recall. But yeah, I'd pay mega bucks for such a VST.

Seems like you were fooled. Again.

http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/guitar/lowrey.html

Okay, so then what song did they actually use the 2600 on. Was it Baba O Reily?

I know they owned one and used it.

Maybe this helps:
http://www.thewho.net/whotabs/gear/guitar/arp.html

Thanks. Well that's the 2600 I want to see in VST form and I'll pay handsomely for it.

[Daags]

Well that's the 2600 I want to see in VST form and I'll pay handsomely for it.

why ?

[wagtunes]

Well that's the 2600 I want to see in VST form and I'll pay handsomely for it.

why ?

Because I grew up with the Who (well, actually long before the Who) and love their sound. That's why?

Besides, do I need a reason? It's my money.