Which sequencer has the BEST midi implementation?

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Kalamata Kid wrote:
Dewdman42 wrote:
The reason I say CUbase is king is that it has
Cakewalk MFX,
Proprietary MFX,
ST 3.5 midi note editing (forgot what ii is called)
Easy to get to midi editing tools
Logical editor
Transformer
Input Transformer
Piano roll editing
List editor

Did I miss anything?
Configurable drum maps
Configurable step/input recording (pitch, velocity, cc, whatever)
Note expression/articulation
Midi sends

And I am sure I'm missing something...
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transpose track also a good one, affects both MIDIs and audios
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Kalamata Kid wrote: The reason I say CUbase is king is that it has
Cakewalk MFX,
Proprietary MFX,
ST 3.5 midi note editing (forgot what ii is called)
Easy to get to midi editing tools
Logical editor
Transformer
Input Transformer
Piano roll editing
List editor
If you ignore anything and everything some other product may do with Midi that it doesn't, sure. FLStudio for example.

I never understand this regular tendency to rate everything in a literal way and place something on top of everything else for everyone. Best daw, best editor, best sequencer, etc, etc, etc. There is no daw Olymipics, no gold medals, only things that work better or worse for very different people.

Cubase is a really great midi sequencer though, no doubt about that.

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xbitz wrote:
Kalamata Kid wrote:I have used Bidule as an IN in Cubase and Sonar. https://www.plogue.com/products/bidule/ As an IN you can do wild and crazy routing inside Bidule or the like such as energyXT and other modular VST hosts that are themselves VST or VSTi's.

Unfortunately for midi editing once midi has been recorded Bidule as far as I know is not good at this. Cubase is king as far as I know for midi editing.
BC PatchWork has DAW independent inner MIDI routing so VSTs like Piz MIDI Plugins can be used in it freely, or also can be used with Nora nicely, in this u can get AL like Session clip support in any DAW



so IMO currently the best config/general framework is (on windows) Cubase, BC Patchwork (for layering, and free MIDI routing), and Reaktor 6 Blocks 1.1 on the out fx (if needs modularity), chord track of Cubase is simply too good to not use it(and this is why Nora which is chord chopper tool basically can be used it in superbly, in this case u have brilliant chorder tool and chord chopper in the same time, they are very powerful together) but the clips system(AL,Bitwig etc.) but it can be put into it using Nora

offtopic but Reaktor 6 Blocks 1.1 can use macro controls finally, if u missed, so no needs AL,Bitwig anymore only for modular fxes or sound designing)


sry for the sound quality, so by default Cubase is the most powerful DAW just there was no modular routing(modular fx routing), and clip system in it, but both problems can be solved from now
awesome. do you know if you can drag the midi clips from Nora into the daw?

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CoolColJ wrote:Same thing can be done on Music-X on the Amiga, with the play sequence command inserted into any sequence/track

such a simple concept, and yet nothing really does it quiet the same these days....

basically You open a new sequence, add a play sequence command where you want it to start playing, and select which track/sequence to play from the main screen.
So it essentially becomes an arrangement.
But this sequence is also a normal sequence, so it can contain single or multi channel midi data as well.
Then you can play this sequence within another sequence/track by using the play sequence command, and keep nesting it as many times as you want.
While also being able to transpose them non destructively.
This way you can basically treat midi data/sequences as samples/loops in a way.

You can also trigger these sequences from the midi keyboard much like loops, and record a new sequence as you played it
awesome!

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pdxindy wrote:
memyselfandus wrote:Here's exactly what I have been looking for.. For about a decade. And these options were in studio vision in the 90's

"Complete sequences running nested inside other sequences. This way, you can have, for exemple, a sequence, written in 3/8 running inside anotjher sequence that has a base tempo, and tracks, in 4/4. It plays inside the 4/4 but stil in 3/8."

"Vision had a window where we could have several sequences open at the same time, and all active. Each sequence had a letter assigned to it. Also, the sequences could be triggered by MIDI. Each sequence could be triggered at the original pitch from the computer keyboard (by pressing the letter assigned to it) or could be "played" from the MIDI keyboard, if it was assigned to it.

You could also create a "sequence of sequences", which has its own master tempo, but each nested sequence runs as a "block" nested in the main sequence, but still has its own tempo track, etc. With that feature, you could create arrangements where you quickly drag entire sequences, one for the chorus, one or more for the bridges, one for the verses, one for the solos, and you could rearrange that very fast by drag and drop each "block". DP chunks work more or less the same way, but you cannot have more than one block active, while in SV these could be layered,

That's where people started to mess around, and sometimes created really crazy things.

The window where we had all the sequences opened at the same time is something that, AFAIK, still no other sequencer has, as of today. The closest thing to that is the "chunks" window in Digital Performer, but the way DP deals with "chunks" (a "chunk" can be an entire sequence) is not as advanced as Studio Vision (see above)."

can someone please confirm that these specific features are available in any daw or vst? It would make my year :)
What is the objective? I mean, what is the result that is desired that this functionality gives one?

Have you looked at Numerology?
yes. different. but awesome. mac only. I heard the dev might port it to windows

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All this talk of Nora got me investigating it, and I found that there was a Nora CM in the December 2015 Computer Music - just in case anyone (like me) is curious and wants to check it out.

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memyselfandus wrote: awesome. do you know if you can drag the midi clips from Nora into the daw?
be nice if it was true, it's not a DAW so not a note generartor, it's a chord chopper(so needs chords as input which ones will be chopped using Nora clip based patterns, the patterns can be organized into tracks as in the video, they can be looped, the tracks can be driven using different MIDI channels, the tracks can send MIDI notes using different MIDI channels(so can be used for layered bass), the patterns can be retriggered using MIDI notes, so it's a quite nice mature VST) which can only capture its out realtime, the recorded out can be saved into a .mid file after the end of the recording

Nora has demo https://www.squaredheads.com/downloads.php and forum in kvr http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=270

worth to check its mode site too http://www.kick101.com/nora-expander/
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Nora has always interested me, but I can't read his website, he's using brain dead color scheme that I literally can't read a thing on it... and so I can't tell if there is a demo to download and try because i can't even read his website. I have heard a lot of interesting things about it though.
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