Rhythm

[Nextom]

I need help with the new "Rhythm"-feature/browser. I can't get it to work for me.
I start out with dragging a midi-drumfile that I extracted from my Ableton libraries into RC. So far so good, see here:

Now I suppose I should be able to integrate it into my Rhythm-browser, which I already opened to the right of the drum pattern. But how?
Just dragging the pattern only moves it along the timeline of its track.
When I drag it from the the Mac's Finder over the rhythm-folder, RC switches to the Midi-import screen.
Since it's a drum-pattern, I guess I should restrict to checking only the "Import"-option and leave all others unchecked (see picture). Right or wrong?


Once I clicked "Import", RC shifts me back to the main screen. I would assume to now find my pattern somewhere in the rhythm-browser's window. But I don't. Why not?

And by the way: What does "Samples" mean in the context of this browser? Are we talking about audio-files? I thought, this is all just midi. Would someone please fill me in?

I'm aware of the "Locations"-window under "Settings" and there seems to be a valid path to a folder. But how can I access it from within RC?

[Nextom]

My next question belonging to the topic of Rhythm concerns the Euclidian rhythm that's supposed to be found in the new rhythm generator. I can find neither. So where's this rhythm generator? I was looking for it in the Phrases-browser, where all the other generators are. But no.

[dsan@mail.com]

My next question belonging to the topic of Rhythm concerns the Euclidian rhythm that's supposed to be found in the new rhythm generator. I can find neither. So where's this rhythm generator? I was looking for it in the Phrases-browser, where all the other generators are. But no.

Drop a phrase generator to the track.
Right click the phrase to open the phrase dialog.
Select the "Wand" tool. (3rd tool along the top of the dialog).
At the top left (below the tools) you will see "Rhythm". Select one of the many rhythm forms from the drop down dialog.

[Nextom]

My next question concerns the visualization of rhythm-patterns, in connection with different soundfonts. For example, when I run my pattern under SF2: RCDrumsAccou.sf2, I get a display, that makes sense to me:

But when I switch the sound to RCDrums.sf2 I get a visualization of a one-dimensional pattern:


I do realize, that with this second soundfont I am given the choice under "Preset" to play different sounds of the drumset, like kick or snare. Ok, but does this correspond to the graphical representation at all? Which of the many blue diamonds are, lets say, my kick?

[dsan@mail.com]

I need help with the new "Rhythm"-feature/browser. I can't get it to work for me.
I start out with dragging a midi-drumfile that I extracted from my Ableton libraries into RC. So far so good, see here: https://www.evernote.com/l/ACRIcgWVNehG ... /image.png
So Far So Good!

Now I suppose I should be able to integrate it into my Rhythm-browser, which I already opened to the right of the drum pattern. But how?
Right click on the phrase to open the phrase dialog.
Select the "Cog Tool" (#2 tool)
Look toward the bottom to "Save Selected Phrases"
They should be now saved to the location you have specified.

Just dragging the pattern only moves it along the timeline of its track.
This would be correct behavior, although I concur, a simple D&D is preferred. Perhaps an FR?

When I drag it from the the Mac's Finder over the rhythm-folder, RC switches to the Midi-import screen.
Since it's a drum-pattern, I guess I should restrict to checking only the "Import"-option and leave all others unchecked (see picture). Right or wrong?
Once I clicked "Import", RC shifts me back to the main screen. I would assume to now find my pattern somewhere in the rhythm-browser's window. But I don't. Why not?
Import is a different function and should be applied as needed. Once imported though it will be possible to do as above and save as a phrase in the directory.

https://www.evernote.com/l/ACS3NyHSS3dF ... /image.png


https://www.evernote.com/l/ACSW5lvkySlG ... /image.png

And by the way: What does "Samples" mean in the context of this browser? Are we talking about audio-files? I thought, this is all just midi. Would someone please fill me in?
Perhaps a better term would be "Examples". They are in fact MIDI and not audio. Clicking on them will expand/condense the list of examples in the folder. I'm not sure what the funnel looking icon does though - since my version is not saving correctly. Once I get the saving fixed I may be able to figure that out. Of course by then someone else may come along to infrom me

I'm aware of the "Locations"-window under "Settings" and there seems to be a valid path to a folder. But how can I access it from within RC?
RC does not open folders except for those directories contained within - Phrases, Progressions, etc. RC has it's own structure.
You can though, for D&D for example, open a folder if you want to. I'm unclear why you would want to open these folders within RC though.
https://www.evernote.com/l/ACRmsEZFabhL ... /image.png

I have answered what I can within the quoted text above. My responses are in red colour font and underlined.
I have removed the images in the response to try to keep the post smaller - for clarity.

I have found what I believe to be a bug while investigating for a reply.

I have 2 program folders; 1 for version 2 released and 1 for v3 Beta. I'm working with the v3 beta.

It seems RC is saving the custom rhythm patterns to the v2 folder even though I have it set up to save to a folder within the v3 beta folder. I will do additional attempts to locate the problem before reporting this as a bug to Attila.

[Nextom]

Hi dsan,

thanks for your answer. It's a good example for what I wrote initially, that I often don't even understand the answers given to my questions. You write

Right click on the phrase to open the phrase dialog.
Select the "Cog Tool" (#2 tool)

I spend several minutes trying to find that Cog Tool, but I didn't. And which "#2 tool" did you mean?
Is it the second option in this list?
. I think not.
Or in the next window?

No Cog Tool here, either.

Then you write:

Just dragging the pattern only moves it along the timeline of its track.
This would be correct behavior, although I concur, a simple D&D is preferred. Perhaps an FR?

A what? D&D? FR?
WTF? C.y.p.b.a.l.m.e.? (=Could you please be a little more explicit?)

Then you go on to say:

Import is a different function and should be applied as needed. Once imported though it will be possible to do as above and save as a phrase in the directory.

Again, I can't make head or tail from your kind answer. If it's a different function (than what?), then why does RC automatically lead me there? And what is "applied as needed"? I need to import the pattern now, so I need it, indeed. And since I probably imported it already (just can't see any trace of it): What do you mean by

to do as above and save as a phrase in the directory

?

Inspite your effort, I'm afraid I'm no step further in my understanding, and I'm back to my original question:
How do I import a drum-pattern into the rhythm-browser?

I'm not sure what the funnel looking icon does though

Right! That's another mystery, that we might get cleared up with someone else's help, now that we're at it already. Thanks for pointing this out!
Great, also, that you discovered this bug/feature with the different paths. That sounds indeed like a possible stumbling stone. Let's clear that up as well! Please keep going.

And lastly:

You can though, for D&D for example, open a folder if you want to. I'm unclear why you would want to open these folders within RC though.

Again, I can only guess what D&D is. But in any case: It's not that I want to open these folders. I'm just trying to understand, where the darn drum-pattern might be, that I imported, and how I can use it further.

[dsan@mail.com]

It appears you have already selected the "Cog" tool. It's the one highlighted in your pics. Look down at the bottom of the list to find "Save Selected Phrases". To the best of my knowledge, the phrase should be saved to the proper folder; however, as I expressed earlier, mine are not being saved to the proper folder. As such I am unable to correctly answer this for you. I'm hopeful yellukhan will drop by to answer the question of how to save rhythm patterns. It's not a feature I use and I know he does and is an expert in this.

D&D = Drag and Drop
FR = Feature Request

BTW (by the way) have you solved the issue with input/output in Live? It will be helpful to know when something is resolved for you.

[Nextom]

It appears you have already selected the "Cog" tool. It's the one highlighted in your pics. Look down at the bottom of the list to find "Save Selected Phrases".

For the life of me, but I still don't get it. Can't you make a screenshot?

Regarding Ableton: Thanks so much for your offer, I will get back to it in my next thread. I just did further experiments, but this seems to be one of those days … No luck, whatever I try.

[yellukhan]

Hi,

Edit:
saving your custom drum pattern as rhythm to "Rhythm Browser"

You can also add a rhythm pattern to the rhythm browser by Ctrl-dragging a phrase, and dropping it directly on the Rhythm browser. You can provide a name and a group.

end of Edit.....


but this isn't mean we cannot use custom phrases as a rhythm sources.
so how?
easy:
in your case save that drum midi file to your custom phrases,
and even you do not have to convert to relative form...
keep it Absolute form and just save to a directory that you want to keep it in...
in this case also you do not have to use MIDI Import page ...just drag this drum midi to RC track and save it!
now!
for example create a new composition and drag an Arpeggiator Generator to a track
open inspector and switch to generator properties tab (magic wand icon) you'll should see :



as picture says just drag that drum phrase to here then click to "Apply To Selection"
you can try tons of rhythm variation via this steps...
as a plus:
in this case... so using Arpeggiator Generator
if you use "Random or Random Neighbor" shapes you can also try "Regenerate"
to create different pitch shapes...
in other shapes (Up , Down etc) you cannot Regenerate pitch shapes, you can only create different rhythm variations via dragging different phrases.

Using rhythms via "Apply Rhythm" Variation:
if you add an Apply Rhythm variation to Arpeggiator generator
you can drag phrases here :



as you can see we can use regular phrases as rhythm sources easily.

i am planning a video demonstration to try to explain all this combinations...soon

i hope it helps,
and please do not hesitate to ask "anything"... there is no unimportant question!

[Nextom]

Hi Yellukhan,

thanks for this. When I drag the pattern over that part in the first picture that you encircled red, RC's Midi Import window opens up. "Apply to selection" would have been in the window before, but now I'm in Midi Import. Am I to first close that window (without doing anything?) and then to go back to that phrase window?

[yellukhan]

sounds like you are dragging "midi file" to me,
if so...
probably just because of i skip to say: drag phrase (from Phrases Browser) to here.

[Nextom]

sounds like you are dragging "midi file" to me,
if so...
probably just because of i skip to say: drag phrase (from Phrases Browser) to here.

Ahh, finally I got you! A phrase from the phrase-browser you mean! Well, that seems to work.
Only problem here is that I still don't know how to make my own imported drum-patterns appear in that browser. (Plus: Shouldn't it be in the rhythm-browser instead as in the Phrases-browser?
As of now, I could only use those Beat-phrases that I find in the Phrase-browser, but not my own material …

[Nextom]

All in all, yellukhan:
From what I understand now is, that phrases in the Phrase-browser can be used to modify other patterns with their rhythms - right? That's neat.
But my original, much simpler impulse, to create myself a new bank of rhythm-patterns that I extract from Live … is just not possible at present - right?

So how do you guys solve the problem of rhythm in Rapid Composer for yourselves? Is there any way at all to get a decent choice of rhythm patterns? How did your rltv_Breakbeat Loops get into your browser?

[yellukhan]

how to save custom phrase
(How did i rltv_Breakbeat Loops get into browser) :


Edit:

saving your custom drum pattern as rhythm to "Rhythm Browser"

You can also add a rhythm pattern to the rhythm browser by Ctrl-dragging a phrase, and dropping it directly on the Rhythm browser. You can provide a name and a group.

[yellukhan]

But my original, much simpler impulse, to create myself a new bank of rhythm-patterns that I extract from Live … is just not possible at present - right?


Edit:

saving your custom drum pattern as rhythm to "Rhythm Browser"

You can also add a rhythm pattern to the rhythm browser by Ctrl-dragging a phrase, and dropping it directly on the Rhythm browser. You can provide a name and a group.