Korg Minilogue

[duncanm]

Actually, the reason that you can't buy the minilogue isn't because they've been so wildly successful that people can't get enough of them but because Korg have taken them off the market because the incessant moaning about the clicking. They're pre-empting the inevitable petition.

[olikana]

it's a wrong implementation of the Multi-Trigger mode. btw also many softsynths used to get it wrong.
Matrixsynth explains it well here.
http://www.matrixsynth.com/2016/02/anal ... logue.html

Here's an interesting video. I will admit this one initially stumped me. When I first saw it I thought they were mixing up Multi Trigger vs Single Trigger modes. In Multi Trigger every note played will re-trigger an envelope, in Single Trigger every note continues with the currently triggered envelope - essentially all notes share the currently running envelope until it has been played out. In the video it appears like the minilogue is behaving in Multi Trigger mode (re-triggering the envelope for every note played, thus the Attack phase starts over each time) and the SH-101 in Single Trigger mode (skipping the attack phase and continuing on with the Sustain - that's how I would usual patch up that sort of sound).

And... I was wrong. It took me a while in an exchange in the comments section of the video on YouTube, but they have cleared the fog that shrouded my feeble mind.

So what are they actually talking about? The envelope should actually re-trigger at the last level the Attack reached, not the beginning. Let that sink in. In Multi Trigger mode, it normally doesn't restart at zero on an analog synth, but rather the last level the Attack stage reached. It might sound counter intuitive but I verified this is indeed the behavior on a Voyager set to Multi Trigger. To try it yourself, set your ADSR levels to max and hold a note (on the Voyager make sure the Release switch to the left of the keyboard is ON). You'll notice the swell of the Attack stage. Once it's risen a bit start playing other notes either in legato or staccato. You'll notice that instead of the initial swell of the Attack, the notes will just play. Now set the DSR levels down to zero, but leave the Attack full and try the same. You should now notice that the Attack level swells for every note. This is because the envelope completes it's cycle as soon as you release a note - the DSR stages are zero). When you have longer DSR times and you re-trigger a note in Multi Trigger mode before they end, the note essentially re-triggers at the last level the Attack rather than the start. In Single Trigger mode new notes continue at whatever ADSR stage the envelope is currently at vs. re-triggering it at the last Attack level. A bit confusing? Yes, but that is indeed how it usually works with analog unless a "start at zero" is specifically designed in.

and if Korg specifically designed it to restart at 0 it is a design that makes little sense. it's a "chopping mode".
I believe it's somethng they can fix as well as offering a Single trigger mode too. although a correct multi-trigger is all that's needed.

[Scotty]

Is this speculation or reliable information? (I don't have an issue with speculation as long as it is identified as such).

Actually, the reason that you can't buy the minilogue isn't because they've been so wildly successful that people can't get enough of them but because Korg have taken them off the market because the incessant moaning about the clicking. They're pre-empting the inevitable petition.

[duncanm]

Is this speculation or reliable information? (I don't have an issue with speculation as long as it is identified as such).

Actually, the reason that you can't buy the minilogue isn't because they've been so wildly successful that people can't get enough of them but because Korg have taken them off the market because the incessant moaning about the clicking. They're pre-empting the inevitable petition.

It's me, taking the piss. Literally no one who's reviewed the thing has a problem with it yet the 'debate' goes on, and on, and on, and on and, well, you can see where I'm going with this.

[Centrl]

Can anyone who has one tell me how strong the Toggle Switches are in the 3 position middle position? Like the hp/delay one for example. I picked on up, and thought when I demo one at the store, that the middle position on the toggle didn't have much play in it. But the one I purchased has a bit of play/looseness in the middle positions of the Toggles. They snap nice to the outside positions, but just thought I'd check. I don't want to get to wound up about a bit of movement, but thought I'd check if that is normal. Thanks.

[D-Fusion]

Can anyone who has one tell me how strong the Toggle Switches are in the 3 position middle position? Like the hp/delay one for example. I picked on up, and thought when I demo one at the store, that the middle position on the toggle didn't have much play in it. But the one I purchased has a bit of play/looseness in the middle positions of the Toggles. They snap nice to the outside positions, but just thought I'd check. I don't want to get to wound up about a bit of movement, but thought I'd check if that is normal. Thanks.

It is the same here
But they are solid enough to stay where they are supposed to so it is not a problem.

[Sequent]

Toggle switches seem fairly solid.

In other news... got my new issue of Electronic Musician today. There was an article on the 2016 NAMM show. Mr. Robair mentioned the OB-6 and the Matrixbrute. He also mentioned the Montage and the Roland A01. He even gushed about the Casio MZ-500 and the MZ300. He got excited about the Monoprice and was ecstatic about the Zoom ARQ. However, he did not mention (not even a teeny tiny mention)(unless the so-called 'editors' edited it out)... did not see fit to mention the Monologue. Guess he was 'turned off' by all the clicks or maybe he doesn't like mini keys.

[Mace404]

Maybe because the Minilogue was announced just before NAMM? Still you would expect a bit of mention, indeed.

[Centrl]

It is the same here
But they are solid enough to stay where they are supposed to so it is not a problem.

Thanks for the replies - just wanted to double check. Really enjoying the Minilogue.

[D-Fusion]

It is the same here
But they are solid enough to stay where they are supposed to so it is not a problem.

Thanks for the replies - just wanted to double check. Really enjoying the Minilogue.

You're Welcome
Yes it is a great synth and based on the presets and the sound you would think it only does bright sounds.

But that is not the case as i found out yesterday that it does warm sounds just as good with some tweaking.

[deastman]

I finally got my Minilogue today. I only had a little while to play with it so far, but I just have to say that it really is a fun little synth! Yes, there were some compromises made, and I really wish it had a couple more voices, but overall its just a great synth. The oscillator section in particular is quite versatile for something in that price range. I'm looking forward to spending some more time with it, but I definitely see using this one a lot.

[NEOREV]

[Sequent]

Or in other words... (which I've kind of suspected along), Mr. Jupiter is really a moron, lol. Actually... I'm kind of glad to have another opinion on this and hear that it really isn't an issue. It definitely is not an issue on my unit. In fact, according to Marc, it's actually a nice feature rather than a problem.

[Redmerkurii]

Yay I've joined the club and ordered a mini keyed click machine from my local click machine store. It will arrive in a few weeks apparently.
They told me at the store that it also produces beautiful synthetic tones and timbres and has a useful onboard sequencer. "Really, a sequencer", I replied. "Variable BPM click chains it is then", I added enthusiastically and left the store with a heart filled with wondrous joy.

Should arrive just before my birthday

[Wormhelmet]

Nice video by Doty. I love his demos and reviews.