Who writes the song?

[Shane Sanders]

I'm the first to admit that trying to condense the answer to so complex a question -- or set of questions -- into two words will result in some inaccuracy. However, it's worth trying so here goes. *deep breath*

Barry Manilow.

You knew that was coming sooner or later, isn't it just as well it's done now?

Meffy

I don't know this for a fact, but someone once told me that that was one of the few songs by Manilow that he didn't actually write. Ironic.

Somebody with time on their hands double check me on that one.

[Rabid]

One of the Beach Boys, wasn't it?

Robert

[Rabid]

... Last time I checked, the Beatles were John, Paul, George and Ringo, not John, Paul, George, Ringo and Michael Jackson, and yet that final bloke owns all the rights to their songs. That's a social agreement, we have a system we've all bought into that protects Michael Jackson's ownership of the songs. But he had nothing to do with them....

And if you look at the sheet music for any of these songs, or look at the credits for any recording you will see the composer listed, not Michael Jackson. Their interests have been protected and that is why Jackson paid millions in advance for the rights to those songs. It was a business deal. The Beatles were upset because they never considered revenue that could be earned by licensing their songs for advertising. Revolution was a big part of a shoe campaign, and that is when The Beatles objected to the deal they happily made a few years earlier.

And that leads back to the heart of the question. If someone puts together a song using a melody from Acid loops, who owns the song? From what I have seen, not all Acid loops are “public domain”. Licenses vary.

For that matter, if someone puts together a major hit from purchased loops and patterns, is there any reason someone else could not put together the exact same arrangement and release it?

Robert

[Wopelka]

'to compose' etymologically means 'to put together'

the creative process is never a pure creation ex nihilo.

IMO, what is meaningful is not whether you use pre-made material for your music (loops, samples, presets) but HOW WELL and HOW CREATIVELY you use them to make something new, unheard, that is YOUR OWN expression.

[CypherOne]

what song?

[Emerald Tablet]

At what point do we move from composer to arranger?

If you buy a cd
If you use patterns
If you enter a chord
If you buy a program

Who writes the song: YOU

Who owns the creative rights to a photo collage – the authors of the used elements? nah
Imo the person who made the combinations.

No one has the rights to a mere word – there public
But people do have rights on a slogan, which is a combination of words.


However: You cannot compare it to randomising a play list. thats not a creation - thats just playing some songs.

[vurt]

what song?

some of barry manilows apparently?makes you wonder about some of the members here and there credibility

[Emerald Tablet]

but jesus would say : render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's

but he`s a hippy

[vurt]

No one has the rights to a mere word – there public
But people do have rights on a slogan, which is a combination of words.
.

thanks for that remco i always thought slogans where them slimy things that i found in the garden,ill sleep better now.

[CypherOne]

but jesus would say : render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's

but he`s a hippy

maybe but he makes a lovely salad.

[vurt]

but jesus would say : render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's

but he`s a hippy

jesus likes parmesan then?

[vurt]

but jesus would say : render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's

but he`s a hippy

maybe but he makes a lovely salad.

but he definitely doesnt work for a record label,does he?

[Meffy]

I don't know this for a fact, but someone once told me that that was one of the few songs by Manilow that he didn't actually write. Ironic.

[For those who missed what song: "I Write the Songs," of course. :-)]

Yes, noticed that some time ago and had a laugh. Can't recall the writer's name. Hold on... ah. Bruce Johnson or Johnston (sources vary).

Meffy

[Emerald Tablet]

but jesus would say : render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's

but he`s a hippy

maybe but he makes a lovely salad.

but he definitely doesnt work for a record label,does he?

though some threads ago sleek stated J and M were the ultimate rock stars
not to sure about MJ though - even if he owns the rights to the beatle songs out there
he doesn't have the beatle juice - speaking about beatlejuice



there you have a rockstar
i always thought of Paul as a wimpy
and the girl is mine is a direct rip off of al jereuaues (djeeeeez i always have difficulty in getting his name right) new morning or morning song or morning glory or however that song is called - talking about morning glory - that were to young to die dude with the hats (forgot his name again) is a direct rip off of al jereuaues to ...ringo`s a star though - so is Mick jagger - if only for the fact he humped Tina during live aids .....

btw - i always doubted Tina - i think Ike is kewl and she was a big pain in the arse - i wouldn't even be surprised if i would find out she abused him
but erm ...what are we talking about again ?

[torhan]

Yes, noticed that some time ago and had a laugh. Can't recall the writer's name. Hold on... ah. Bruce Johnson or Johnston (sources vary).

Meffy

Correct...you can check ASCAP's site