Microtonal Piano Roll or Notation?

[Alexandre28]

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Hi!
Here is a microtonal piano roll!
-> "note.eventEditor' as part of "note~ for Max" -> https://vimeo.com/49602220

It seems interesting to use, and have a lot of customisation features.
(It is working as an 'object' for the great Max environment: http://cycling74.com/videos/product/ (http://cycling74.com/videos/product/) )

[memyselfandus]

Cool! In max

[jancivil]

This is one of those things that should have been implimented years ago but wasn't. In fact, the whole tuning shebang should be handled by the MIDI protocol DAW-side and the synth should respond to whatever pitches it recieves? I hate how tuning data is part of a patch in most synths. Chances are, if you're flicking through different patches, you want them ALL to be playing the notes you want! Changing the patch should NOT alter the musical notes played! >_<

Why should it?

I d'l'd some MIDI files from Scala website (in addition to .scl files). The actual fact of the matter here is the deviation from 'normalcy' is created by pitchbend. Now, if you are interested in a certain schema or idea that's consistent, a certain plan, you may like it defined DAW-side. I can't really formulate your argument for it without consideration of how it suits the 12-note piano keyboard paradigm (or doesn't).

I'm not reliant on 'flicking through patches' so I won't be bothered much by handling most of this at the instrument end. Actually I conceptualize the pitch behaviors as instrumental behaviors; for instance if the move is a long bend the flute or sax may have a non-linearity that is not quite like the electric guitar. Or, the interval resulting in an intonation is very pronounced here vs. a less pungent inflection there. So I get in the pitchbend lane. For you, all the instruments may be the same and due to your selection m.o. the altered note-ons should all be definite. I don't want to define it by the piano roll first.

But I don't write a piece in a certain tuning, here intonation is not schematic or ideological/fundamentalist, it's a sort of flexible fabric w. types of gravitational warp and the nets follow instrumental weight by differing indices.

[memyselfandus]

Having the option inside the daw to designate pitchbend data to the synth would make too much sense for people who do this sort of thing

Actually I think logic does this. But it's limited to 12 tones per octave. So no quarter tones. I think.

[jancivil]

Having the option inside the daw to designate pitchbend data to the synth would make too much sense for people who do this sort of thing

Actually I think logic does this. But it's limited to 12 tones per octave. So no quarter tones. I think.

People who do what sort of thing? I am somebody who does quite a lot with pitch (using scala but before this a whole lot of string bending & tuning experiments as well as research) and my ideas on it work for me. I'm more interested in making music than talk frankly.

[memyselfandus]

Cool

[splitnotes]

Reaper is doing good work by letting the user select the layout for their piano roll. But as the notes along the main track of the piano roll still conform to the 12-tone Halberstadt layout, it's not a perfect implementation. I hope Reaper will continue to improve their piano roll in this direction. In fact, if anybody is a Reaper user, PLEASE WRITE TO COCKOS with exactly this suggestion.

I've recently signed up to the Ableton forums to request similar features in Ableton Live, and of course I gave Reaper as an example of a DAW that is making good progress and making users' lives easier. I'm also in the process of writing a blog post about piano roll for microtonality, and I'll share that in this group once finished.

Please folks, let's get together and put the best solution forward to developers... Seems like DAWs these days are cutting edge in every area except for tuning, where we're stuck in a paradigm from the late 1800s Western world.

Cheers,
Sevish