Korg Minilogue

[ghettosynth]

GOD HAS SPOKEN.

Can talk of 'the click' now be consigned to, I dunno, notepad on your own computers?

Nope, workaround != understanding.

Seems like the retrigger is a simple enough fix on Korg's part if they want to update the Portamento setting with a firmware update.
If not, it's pretty simple to just do it yourself.

Fixes and workarounds are fine. What many of you don't seem to get is that some of us are actually interested in the design itself. This is just some more information. A friend of mine is getting one of these so when he does I will get to explore the envelope and VCA behavior myself.

And we're back to how awesome this synth is.

We never left, and nobody is stopping anyone else from talking about any aspect of the synth that they want to talk about. Just do it and stop whining so much about other people who don't want to talk about the same things.

I really don't get why this is so difficult for some of you to understand?

You're the one whining, dude.

I call this whining.

Can talk of 'the click' now be consigned to, I dunno, notepad on your own computers?

You are complaining about what other people are talking about.

And now we know the retrigger isn't an issue anymore.

No we don't. I can see how you might be convinced by this, but, as I said, it's just more information and the issue is far from closed.

[Wormhelmet]

but did it fix the dreaded preset 2 issue??? (a reason most would buy the synth)

Finally - is sawwaveanalog appeased???

These questions need answers! The analog synth world us up in arms and losing sleep over all this!

[ghettosynth]

but did it fix the dreaded preset 2 issue??? (a reason most would buy the synth)

Finally - is sawwaveanalog appeased???

These questions need answers! The analog synth world us up in arms and losing sleep over all this!

Did it? That's a legit question, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm not sure, at this point I think that I need to put my hands on one. Is preset two a monophonic patch?

[Wormhelmet]

but did it fix the dreaded preset 2 issue??? (a reason most would buy the synth)

Finally - is sawwaveanalog appeased???

These questions need answers! The analog synth world us up in arms and losing sleep over all this!

Did it? That's a legit question, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm not sure, at this point I think that I need to put my hands on one. Is preset two a monophonic patch?

Can't remember about preset two other than someone upset over the clicks, but i haven't used too many presets. It is so fun to just dial up your own sounds on. kind of why i bought it. Not for preset 2.

Probably a good idea to get your hands on one. You can decide for yourself if comparing to a Jupiter 8 is relevant or not (after you adjust portamento from off to "0" of course)

[ghettosynth]

but did it fix the dreaded preset 2 issue??? (a reason most would buy the synth)

Finally - is sawwaveanalog appeased???

These questions need answers! The analog synth world us up in arms and losing sleep over all this!

Did it? That's a legit question, I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm not sure, at this point I think that I need to put my hands on one. Is preset two a monophonic patch?

Can't remember about preset two other than someone upset over the clicks, but i haven't used too many presets. It is so fun to just dial up your own sounds on. kind of why i bought it. Not for preset 2.

Sure, but my question was specific. Cool if you don't know off of the top of your head, but I bet someone does.

Is preset two a monophonic patch?

[IncarnateX]

I really don't get why this is so difficult for some of you to understand?

Because you introduce yourself like experts in an patronizing and trolling way, making a big deal of nothing.

LOL do i really need to make a crappy picture in MS Paint to show all the newbies here what is the difference between fast envelopes that can give you a click if you set it that way and a broken synth that clicks on both slow attack and slow release ?

I don't know if the click issue is still raging, I'm not going to aread this thread, it's a cesspool of fanbois and nonsense with only a few tiny islands of reason.

And then you want us to believe that you just were here for a little techy chat, now that your big and interesting problem turns out to be a little fart and the fanbois turn out to be right about exactly that. Trivializing matters once you have burned your fingers already seems to be a favored retreat strategy of Mutant the troll, I see you master it too.

[stillshaded]

Rofl...

Synth Wars: the click awakens

[stillshaded]

Something something midichloreans

[Sendy]

Patches like Preset 2 (PWM Strings) are a bit unmusical because the PWM LFOs reset at each note on. The LFO retriggering can be changed around quite a bit in the menus. For patches like that I like to turn key retriggering off. Makes the patch more organic and notes tend to flow into eachother. You could also turn voice LFO sync off, which allows the four LFOs for the four voices to run out of sync with eachother. With this on, a held note will jump in tonal quality simply because a new voice was triggered. Quite annoying so I usually turn it off on poly sounds.

If you listen to my own patches, you can hear I made quite a few PWM-based pad sounds, similar but more complex to Preset 2, and I didn't have any problems. In fact over half of my user made patches are LFO-based pads with sync, ringmod and waveshaping.

Now I just wish they'd add a menu option to disable LFO modulation to oscillator 1.

[ghettosynth]

Patches like Preset 2 (PWM Strings) are a bit unmusical because the PWM LFOs reset at each note on. The LFO retriggering can be changed around quite a bit in the menus. For patches like that I like to turn key retriggering off. Makes the patch more organic and notes tend to flow into eachother. You could also turn voice LFO sync off, which allows the four LFOs for the four voices to run out of sync with eachother. With this on, a held note will jump in tonal quality simply because a new voice was triggered. Quite annoying so I usually turn it off on poly sounds.

So, clearly, then, patch 02 is a poly sound, as I thought. BTW: I agree that you generally don't want the PWM LFOs to reset on note-on, but asserting non-musicality is a statement of aesthetic.

Setting aside value of the patch for a moment, if you set the porta to zero, assuming that's possible, does that mitigate the click problem with patch 02?

[NEOREV]

I call this whining.

Can talk of 'the click' now be consigned to, I dunno, notepad on your own computers?

You are complaining about what other people are talking about.

First off, I didn't say that. You're quoting another person. So if you're gonna quote and attack a person, go after the right person.

And now we know the retrigger isn't an issue anymore.

No we don't. I can see how you might be convinced by this, but, as I said, it's just more information and the issue is far from closed.

Oh good, you finally actually quoted a small part of something that I actually said. How about what I said in full?

"Seems like the retrigger is a simple enough fix on Korg's part if they want to update the Portamento setting with a firmware update.
If not, it's pretty simple to just do it yourself."

And video shows the envelopes acting correctly when the setting is changed. It doesn't retrigger from "0." So that seems like a pretty simple fix.

So take your attitude elsewhere. I wasn't talking crap about anyone here. All I said is that it seems we found a way to fix the retrigger issue. Anyone with a problem here is you. Calm down.

[Sendy]

Patches like Preset 2 (PWM Strings) are a bit unmusical because the PWM LFOs reset at each note on. The LFO retriggering can be changed around quite a bit in the menus. For patches like that I like to turn key retriggering off. Makes the patch more organic and notes tend to flow into eachother. You could also turn voice LFO sync off, which allows the four LFOs for the four voices to run out of sync with eachother. With this on, a held note will jump in tonal quality simply because a new voice was triggered. Quite annoying so I usually turn it off on poly sounds.

So, clearly, then, patch 02 is a poly sound, as I thought. BTW: I agree that you generally don't want the PWM LFOs to reset on note-on, but asserting non-musicality is a statement of aesthetic.

Well, what I meant is that it doesn't sound quite right on the Minilogue. That particular patch has a combination of settings that makes it click a bit with the LFO reset. It's not the actual aesthetic of the resetting that I was calling unmusical, just how it clicks sometimes when you play polyphonically with that patch.

You can tell sometimes that corners have been cut with the Minilogue, usually it gives it an interesting character, but on occasion you just have to adapt a patch. It hasn't stopped me making loads of sounds with it.

I'll look into your question tomorrow when I get another chance to play it.

[ghettosynth]

I'll look into your question tomorrow when I get another chance to play it.

tnx

[ghettosynth]

I call this whining.

Can talk of 'the click' now be consigned to, I dunno, notepad on your own computers?

You are complaining about what other people are talking about.

First off, I didn't say that. You're quoting another person. So if you're gonna quote and attack a person, go after the right person.

You're right, I mis-attributed it to you, my apologies. But the point that I was making is that this isn't an either/or issue. If you want to talk about how awesome the synth is, knock yourself out. I'm going to continue to talk about it's technical details.

And now we know the retrigger isn't an issue anymore.

No we don't. I can see how you might be convinced by this, but, as I said, it's just more information and the issue is far from closed.

Oh good, you finally actually quoted a small part of something that I actually said. How about what I said in full?

"Seems like the retrigger is a simple enough fix on Korg's part if they want to update the Portamento setting with a firmware update.
If not, it's pretty simple to just do it yourself."

And video shows the envelopes acting correctly when the setting is changed. It doesn't retrigger from "0." So that seems like a pretty simple fix.

As I said, it's information, it's not closed yet, and even if it is a "simple fix", it's not fixed until it's fixed. However, I've already acknowledged that it could just be software, great if it is, that's something that could potentially be fixed. Like I said earlier, however, just because it's software doesn't mean it will be fixed. There are plenty of analog synths with significant software problems that were never correctly fixed.

But, we don't know yet really what the problem is precisely, all that we know is that on monophonic patches, setting the portamento to 0 changes the behavior.

Even if fixed, it's interesting to know exactly what is responsible for the behavior.

[deastman]

Patches like Preset 2 (PWM Strings) are a bit unmusical because the PWM LFOs reset at each note on. The LFO retriggering can be changed around quite a bit in the menus. For patches like that I like to turn key retriggering off. Makes the patch more organic and notes tend to flow into eachother. You could also turn voice LFO sync off, which allows the four LFOs for the four voices to run out of sync with eachother. With this on, a held note will jump in tonal quality simply because a new voice was triggered. Quite annoying so I usually turn it off on poly sounds.

So, clearly, then, patch 02 is a poly sound, as I thought. BTW: I agree that you generally don't want the PWM LFOs to reset on note-on, but asserting non-musicality is a statement of aesthetic.

Setting aside value of the patch for a moment, if you set the porta to zero, assuming that's possible, does that mitigate the click problem with patch 02?

As Sendy observed, the clicking sound in the attack of Preset 002 (PWM Strings) is due to the LFO retriggering each time a new key is played. I took a brief scan through the menus and didn't see how to turn key retriggering off, but I haven't RTFM yet either. I'll take her word for it that such a parameter exists somewhere. That LFO retriggering click is the only one I've specifically identified so far, so I couldn't say if messing with the portamento amount would make any difference. It appears to be set to OFF by default.