KVR Audio

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:20 am

ghettosynth wrote:Even if fixed, it's interesting

Yes. Breathtaking.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 7:40 am

deastman wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:
Sendy wrote:Patches like Preset 2 (PWM Strings) are a bit unmusical because the PWM LFOs reset at each note on. The LFO retriggering can be changed around quite a bit in the menus. For patches like that I like to turn key retriggering off. Makes the patch more organic and notes tend to flow into eachother. You could also turn voice LFO sync off, which allows the four LFOs for the four voices to run out of sync with eachother. With this on, a held note will jump in tonal quality simply because a new voice was triggered. Quite annoying so I usually turn it off on poly sounds.
So, clearly, then, patch 02 is a poly sound, as I thought. BTW: I agree that you generally don't want the PWM LFOs to reset on note-on, but asserting non-musicality is a statement of aesthetic.

Setting aside value of the patch for a moment, if you set the porta to zero, assuming that's possible, does that mitigate the click problem with patch 02?
As Sendy observed, the clicking sound in the attack of Preset 002 (PWM Strings) is due to the LFO retriggering each time a new key is played. I took a brief scan through the menus and didn't see how to turn key retriggering off, but I haven't RTFM yet either. I'll take her word for it that such a parameter exists somewhere. That LFO retriggering click is the only one I've specifically identified so far, so I couldn't say if messing with the portamento amount would make any difference. It appears to be set to OFF by default.

Ok, I didn't connect the comment of the LFO to the clicking. So, is that because the note is cutting out because the width becomes too narrow? Or, is this still related to the envelopes somehow? I thought that I was hearing clicking on release, but without playing it, I can't know that. It's clear that there's clicking on release in some other examples. However, it could be that there is more than one cause of clicking so that's not surprising by itself.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:20 am

Sendy wrote: You could also turn voice LFO sync off, which allows the four LFOs for the four voices to run out of sync with eachother. With this on, a held note will jump in tonal quality simply because a new voice was triggered.

Could you specify the problem (and possible workarounds) here? I like to be able to make pads with no LFO retriggering and with free running LFOs pr. voice as well as synced LFOs. Does this mean, that when I play a new note in a held chord in poly mode, the whole chord will retrigger? And is it with LFO sync on or is it with LFO sync off?

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 8:31 pm

I could be wrong, and I've barely had any time with this synth, but I think when I experimented with preset 2 last night, the deal was that each newly triggered note reset the phase of the lfo for every note, including those already held down. Like I said, I might have that wrong, and I'll be spending some more time with it tonight.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:25 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
Sendy wrote: You could also turn voice LFO sync off, which allows the four LFOs for the four voices to run out of sync with eachother. With this on, a held note will jump in tonal quality simply because a new voice was triggered.
Could you specify the problem (and possible workarounds) here? I like to be able to make pads with no LFO retriggering and with free running LFOs pr. voice as well as synced LFOs. Does this mean, that when I play a new note in a held chord in poly mode, the whole chord will retrigger? And is it with LFO sync on or is it with LFO sync off?

The LFO menu has all the options covered. You can turn on and off BPM sync. You can turn on and off keysync (retriggering), and you can turn on and off LFO sync - which in this case determines whether the LFOs will move in unison together, acting as a "master LFO".

Different combinations of these options will give different sounds, though on very rare cases polyphonic retriggering will give you a bit of an audio pop. Mainly with PWM pulse pads.

I don't have time to get her out and record her, but I'll post a demo of Preset 2 tomorrow or the day after, going through all the different LFO settings and how they sound, and try and answer any other questions that arise. Overall, though, I really wouldn't worry that much. The pads it makes are lovely.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:04 am

Thanks for the efforts Sendy.

BTW: When I talked about LFO sync I meant applying them all as one free running master LFO is some cases and different free running LFOs from voice to voice in other. In both cases with no keysync. Doing this with a pad should not retrigger anything when changing a single note in a chord under normal circumstances, so I hope it doesn't in this case either. If it does when lfo controls pulzewidth only and not the filter, I may live with that, but it would still suck a little.

Gaetano Capuano · Post by **Gaetano Capuano** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:02 pm

Sure would like to buy one right now. Sold out everywhere. Anyone know who has them in stock?

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:31 pm

Sendy wrote:I don't have time to get her out and record her, but I'll post a demo of Preset 2 tomorrow or the day after

Someone already did:

Gaetano Capuano · Post by **Gaetano Capuano** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:33 pm

Anyone who has 1 also use the Tetra? Would like to hear how they compare tone wise.

SampleScience · Post by **SampleScience** » Sat Mar 12, 2016 3:28 pm

I've tried it in a store, it sounds very good, it's easy to use and it superbly design. I'm going to buy one when it'll be release in Canada.

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:25 pm

http://www.korg.com/us/support/download ... /544/2907/

Version：1.10
Date：2016.03.14

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Release notes

*Improved stability of voice trigger control
*Minor bug fixes

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:32 pm

Very cool. I don't remember the time when a hardware manufacturer was this active with firmware releases.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:30 pm

Uncle E wrote:Very cool. I don't remember the time when a hardware manufacturer was this active with firmware releases.

I dont know why I let Roland fool me. I was all but certain there would be a TR-606 expansion for the TR-8. They wont recompile my UA-1000s drivers to work with ElCapitan. No code change required, just a signed compilation...

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 9:43 pm

Why would anybody buy this? Unless you are trying to throw away money for no good reason, why wouldn't you buy ANY VST on the market, or rather, several of them, instead of this? Did you hear the factory presets in the video above? What does this do that probably all commercial VSTs can't do? Why wouldn't you buy Omnisphere 2 instead of this?
(Yes, I know, "analogue", "cool", "retro", yadda yadda yadda... Any demos that actually sound remotely better than any commercial VSTs, and doubtless most free ones?)

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:07 pm

I agree there are a lot of good analogs that can be matched with the better softsynths these days. I think we can also agree that the super vintage ones (CS-80, Jupiter-8, OB-8, Prophet 5, et al) haven't yet been matched. Those all had VCO's and the Minilogue has VCO's, so I think the hope is the Minilogue can better approximate them than softsynths can.

An example of the importance of VCO's is the latest Dave Smith synths. The Prophet-6 and OB-6 sound a lot different from the DCO Dave Smith's.

Korg Minilogue