DUNE2 vs Sylenth1

[Teksonik]

Yet they sound very different when creating anything else but a simple one oscillator init patch.

But you said.............

IMO, the sound of the raw oscillators in Dune is too thin to really call it sounding very "analog".......while Sylenth1 is rather raw, saturated.

Which is simply incorrect as proven by the test.

Anyway I love Sylenth as well. I'm a strong advocate for owning both.

[V0RT3X]

More synth fights on KVR

[fluffy_little_something]

The filter is effectively bypassed in D2's INIT patch as well since it's not filtering anything.

But feel free to turn D2's Filter Off.......they still sound the same.

In case you failed to read the quote:

IMO, the sound of the raw oscillators in Dune is too thin to really call it sounding very "analog".......while Sylenth1 is rather raw, saturated.

Well, I was only referring to your post. I don't know what exactly he meant by RAW...

On Sylenth even when both cutoff knobs are turned to max and both resonance knobs to min, the sound changes slightly when switching the filter on and off.

[chk071]

Yet they sound very different when creating anything else but a simple one oscillator init patch.

But you said.............

IMO, the sound of the raw oscillators in Dune is too thin to really call it sounding very "analog".......while Sylenth1 is rather raw, saturated.

Which is simply incorrect as proven by the test.

Actually, even if the waveform looks exactly the same in a scope, it will still sound different depending on the synth engine. I just fired up Dune 2 and Sylenth1, did a simple supersaw patch with 8x unison on both synths, and the differences are there. Dune 2 sounds a bit fizzy in the high registers, and the filter closes pretty abrupt, when sweeping (which i meant with something strange with the slope). The resonance behavior is very different too. Referring to the raw oscillator sound, and then simply posting an example of an init sound just won't cut it, and i'm actually pretty sure you know that anyway. You can post the raw sawtooth of synth XY of your choice, and you won't hear a difference either. Yet they do sound very different, when adding another oscillator, or applying unison. But i retreat from my statement that it's the "raw oscillator sound" which is thin then, because you're right, that won't cut it either. It's rather audible when you add something more to the sound.

I think Aiynzahev summarized it pretty well in his post, i agree with what he wrote pretty much. I also want to add that it's of course very subtle, as usual.

[Teksonik]

I just fired up Dune 2 and Sylenth1, did a simple supersaw patch with 8x unison on both synths, and the differences are there.

Again you're missing or avoiding the point. You said RAW.

IMO, the sound of the raw oscillators in Dune is too thin to really call it sounding very "analog".......while Sylenth1 is rather raw, saturated.

Of course they sound different when you start using the filters etc...but as proven in the test I just did there is almost or no difference in the RAW oscs...........at least with the Saw waves.

If their patches sounded exactly the same there wouldn't be a need to own both. If you don't like DUNE 2 that's fine and in fact who cares but you made a statement not backed up by facts. I simply pointed that out.

[Teksonik]

On Sylenth even when both cutoff knobs are turned to max and both resonance knobs to min, the sound changes slightly when switching the filter on and off.

You can spin it anyway you like but the raw saw waves are close to identical. Do your own test and see if there is any perceptible difference in the RAW saw waves.

Again:

IMO, the sound of the raw oscillators in Dune is too thin to really call it sounding very "analog".......while Sylenth1 is rather raw, saturated.

That statement is simply incorrect. Sure they sound different once you start programming but calling Dune "too thin" to sound very analog is just plain incorrect.

Anyway check the score on the Poll....it's 126 to 39 in favor of DUNE 2. I win...............

[layzer]

ah another stupid argument about what sounds better than what. there is no better only different and how
you use those different sounds is what really matters.

[fluffy_little_something]

Polls on KVR mean nothing. You could ask EDM vs Jazz and would get a similar result, but what would that say about voters?

What exactly are voting people on in the first place? Sound, versatility, looks?

[chk071]

On Sylenth even when both cutoff knobs are turned to max and both resonance knobs to min, the sound changes slightly when switching the filter on and off.

You can spin it anyway you like but the raw saw waves are close to identical. Do your own test and see if there is any perceptible difference in the RAW saw waves.

Again:

IMO, the sound of the raw oscillators in Dune is too thin to really call it sounding very "analog".......while Sylenth1 is rather raw, saturated.

That statement is simply incorrect. Sure they sound different once you start programming but calling Dune "too thin" to sound very analog is just plain incorrect.

Anyway check the score on the Poll....it's 126 to 39 in favor of DUNE 2. I win...............

You're funny. I wrote that i take the statement back, and still you quote it 2 times... regardless of the pure oscillator sound, which will be similar for any synth, they sound very different. And if i had to decide which i would buy for the money, of course i'd choose Dune 2, because it gives me a whole new level of sound design options over Sylenth1. Sound wise, i'd pick Sylenth1 any day over Dune 2 though, and Spire over both of these. But maybe we should just stop arguing about taste, and just use what we prefer.

And now i'll leave the thread to Mr. Layzer who will convince all of us again that all we need is Synth1 to make super hip 80ies bedroom producer tunes, if we just use the effects as skilled as he does.

[chk071]

Polls on KVR mean nothing.

Exactly. Reaper isn't the most used DAW out there either.

[layzer]

Polls on KVR mean nothing. You could ask EDM vs Jazz and would get a similar result, but what would that say about voters?

What exactly are voting people on in the first place? Sound, versatility, looks?

good point fluffy, but i've found out that looks, versatility and any other aspect would
give the same results as people just have different opinions on everything.

i think the Arcsyn GUI is awful, other people love it.

i think the versatility of Charlatan is just fine, other people think its limited as F***.

[layzer]

And now i'll leave the thread to Mr. Layzer who will convince all of us again that all we need is Synth1 to make super hip 80ies bedroom producer tunes, if we just use the effects as skilled as he does.

thats right, and if you're that good with Synth1, make all your music with Synth1. here we go again with what sounds better than what. freakin brainwashed boneheads.

[lolilol1975]

For the record, Dune 2 is on sale during Easter, until march 31st.

As for this thread, I have no use for Sylenth1, but I bought Dune 2.
If I wanted EDM sounds, I would wait for a sale of Spire.

[HcDoom]

I sell Dune 2 since a month or so...amazing that nobody contacted me because of it. Do people really dont like it? :/

[chk071]

I sell Dune 2 since a month or so...amazing that nobody contacted me because of it. Do people really dont like it? :/

It probably was either due to the sale, or because you sell it in a bundle with EKS Pro.