Monitors & Microphone BATTLE in my tiny studio?

[musicadivine]

Hello,

I have a begginer question and I hope it is not too stupid Please help if you can 

I finaly bought good enought computer capable to run Studio one daw + my audio interface & LCD mic, and I am now ready to buy small studio monitors. I have decent ATH-M40fs headphones which are good for start.
As a begginer I am very confused how to solve next challenge:

My studio room is tiny – only 2,5 x 3,5m. The monitors will be JBL LSR305. The LDC microphone is same as Avantone CV-12, so very sensitive. For recording purposes I will use moustly my headphones… but even more importantly than recording, I wanted all this to be able to enjoy music in realtime live listening - monitoring on monitors, not headphones!

MY question is: how I can sing into microphone or play my woodwinds and at the same time listen myself on my monitors which will be very close to microphone, since the microphone will pick up my singing or playing + the music coming from monitors, so it will double somehow or fight with eachother!???

What is the solution? To buy something like SE Electronics Reflexion Filter? http://www.americanmusical.com/images/d ... xtra_l.jpg

OR to buy HI fi speakers instead of monitors so I can put them as far away from the microphone as possible?

Thank you for your help !

[BertKoor]

It does not matter how close or how far speakers are from the mic. If you can hear it, then the mic will pick up the sound. Even worse: it can cause loud obnoxious feedback high pitch sound.
So this is a really bad idea. Try to learn to record with headphones.

[thecontrolcentre]

Microphone + Speakers = Feedback. Use headphones for recording with a microphone.

[musicadivine]

Thanks for help!

I knew it was stupid question

So headphones for recording...!

... and for my full realtime 3D reverby listening experience mybe I Will have to buy some small PA speaker or HiFi speakers in my living room far away from microphone & I hope they can be connected with computer/daw & plugins/interface.

Thanks again!

[jabe]

What if the the playback is mono with the speakers out of phase and the mic precisely placed? What if the speakers are quiet and not causing feedback and a track recorded with just the speaker output but without the new stuff is added to the recorded track but out of phase to cancel anything picked up from the speakers when recording? Is that possible or difficult or just too much messing about?

[jabe]

What is the solution? To buy something like SE Electronics Reflexion Filter? http://www.americanmusical.com/images/d ... xtra_l.jpg

I'm hoping to get one of these or something similar at some point. There was a nice looking alternative previewed at NAMM in January (the Aston Halo). I believe people use duvets and mattresses too (though perhaps not at Abbey Road, etc).

[BertKoor]

... and for my full realtime 3D reverby listening experience mybe I Will have to buy some small PA speaker or HiFi speakers in my living room far away from microphone

You were already getting a set of JBL LSR305 monitors, not? Oh wait, these were for the studio only.
What do you currently have in the living room? I'd go for a good hifi set (amp & speakers)

If the mic is not currently monitored, feedback won't be a problem.

I hope they can be connected with computer/daw & plugins/interface.

Sure they can, if you have a RCA cable that's long enough. Or do you plan on moving stuff hence & forth all the time?

[musicadivine]

You were already getting a set of JBL LSR305 monitors, not? Oh wait, these were for the studio only. What do you currently have in the living room? I'd go for a good hifi set (amp & speakers)If the mic is not currently monitored, feedback won't be a problem.

No, I didn't buy JBL monitors yet! Just good headphones for now and they will be enought for recording.

I just wanted to be able to use my LDC mic, interface, daw & reverb plugins on top of the prerecorded backing tracks and listen myself at the same time on speakers – in other words, to have same experience which listeners have when they are on concert. I gues your idea of Hi Fi speakers will be better than monitors, since I can use them in my living room which is bigger. So I can put them as far away from mic as possible - less problems with feedback. I gues now I just have to find and buy a good pair in my poor budget of 350 $.
Thanks !

[thecontrolcentre]

You need a pa system and a large space ... or maybe just a karaoke machine

[BertKoor]

I just wanted to be able to use my LDC mic, interface, daw & reverb plugins on top of the prerecorded backing tracks and listen myself at the same time on speakers

People that have experience with this are telling you repeatedly this is not a good idea. What has proved to work fine is:

1. The "Studio" method: record voice with a large condenser mic at half a meter distance wearing headphones, after recording play it back on speakers and then you can listen to it in all it's glory.

2. The "Stage" method: record with a directional dynamic mic (like Shure SM58) at one inch distance (or less) while listening to a monitor at full blast at the opposite direction.

I gues your idea of Hi Fi speakers will be better than monitors, since I can use them in my living room which is bigger. So I can put them as far away from mic as possible - less problems with feedback.

The difference between hifi speakers and nearfield monitors is the task they are designed for. This is debated once every month here. Both can work really well, but no one says you cannot use nearfield studio monitors as hifi speakers. The reverse might not work out that well!

Regardless, the distance has no effect. I repeat myself: if you can hear it (which is the purpose I gather) then your mic will also pick it up!
Large diaphragm condensers are NOT designed to reject sound coming from one direction. If that really is what you want, then buy a mic with proper cardio pattern, such as the SM-58. That works really well with live performances on stage.

As a live sound engineer sometimes I get a singer on stage that brings his/her own random mic. They ask if the monitors can be louder, and I do that. Result: feedback! Then I give them a Shure SM-58, tell them to "eat it". Result: no more feedback and still a good sound.

[musicadivine]

Hallelujah ! Great answer ! Thanks for opening my eyes!

I understood what you wanted to say 1st time already, but just thought there is some way to trick the system. THANKS!