i´m not a man from conservatory, but i think i have good ears (imagination), i allways does my my chords/rhythms/melodies... as i thought.
And they where ok (i found).
But now a new generation of plug-ins like phrasendrescher composed all my stuff for me.
Well, i use it! For people like me, with not so acrobatic fingers... its a funny tool, i never become in so few secondes so many new ideas, so well "interpreted/played"!
The question is = is this my music? I mean i have to decide which is the best "idea", sounds all good togehter well, doing all this conductor/band-leader jobs...
But the main-question keeps: is this my music or something from a box?
I guess diletants will keep diletants even with tools like this, but if my-6 year-old-neigborhrs-daughter say, this sounds better than mine (from a nerd, without no harmonically understand) i will become some question-marks!!!!
I like this tool, its a good helper for "record" all this special groove/harmonic stunts i want (i hear before, i "compose"). But if a nerd use it randomly and "creates randomly good stuff", i hate this!
This guy had nothing done except push/move some knobs and button and to hear it fit/ fit not!
I dont know (im happy with tools like this: Making my Imaginations real real) and hating this (evry jerk can now "compose").
Whehre is the place for "really" human-muscians if the robots get the overhand?
I afraid only the stage. But this was the reason i liked phasendrescher a lot of time. Do we degenarate to a circus-number?
The last hope: What about feel? Do you know anything what make us (from the view of any cuostumer) "better" than a Phrasendrescher-performer?
does plugins like "phrasendrescher" killing good musically therory?
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kukident-youth kukident-youth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=340113
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- KVRAF
- 5381 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Good question. It sounds like it isn't. Phrasendrescher isn't mine either. But sometimes we clarify what our music is, by becoming clear what it's not. I know that I do.kukident-youth wrote:The question is = is this my music?
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
Do you find it more creatively rewarding to press a few buttons and randomly generate music, or to play an instrument?
I enjoy both.
I enjoy both.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRian
- 1115 posts since 6 Jul, 2009
Well, the reality is simple. Music is nice to listen to, fun to play....
And, it's largely valueless. There's a reason no one pays for it. Pretty much no one is ever going to care about what you, I, or anyone else creates.
In several centuries of notated and now recorded music, there are only a handful of artists people still remember. So much is now produced, anything new will get drowned in a sea of wannabe artists. Even "successful" artists are going to be forgotten very quickly.
My point? Who cares what you make or how you make it. If you find some level of joy and fulfillment doing it, keep at it.
And, it's largely valueless. There's a reason no one pays for it. Pretty much no one is ever going to care about what you, I, or anyone else creates.
In several centuries of notated and now recorded music, there are only a handful of artists people still remember. So much is now produced, anything new will get drowned in a sea of wannabe artists. Even "successful" artists are going to be forgotten very quickly.
My point? Who cares what you make or how you make it. If you find some level of joy and fulfillment doing it, keep at it.
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- KVRist
- 417 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
if you bring no personal input to the music you are creating I'd say that's not your music
by personal input I mean at least defining your own chords and basic melodies
these tools can be fun but I wouldn't rely on them (exclusively)
by personal input I mean at least defining your own chords and basic melodies
these tools can be fun but I wouldn't rely on them (exclusively)
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- KVRAF
- 5710 posts since 24 May, 2004 from []1
http://aggregato.jimdo.com/instruments/phrasendrescher/
Came out yesterday;
Phrasendrescher
Full-DL with "lifetime-support":
As long as my company exist you will get all updates and extras for Phrasendrescher for free!
Release 31.03. 2016!
The price below is guilty until 10 of April 2016. After this: more!
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Came out yesterday;
Phrasendrescher
Full-DL with "lifetime-support":
As long as my company exist you will get all updates and extras for Phrasendrescher for free!
Release 31.03. 2016!
The price below is guilty until 10 of April 2016. After this: more!
14,94 €
no tax, free shipping
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- KVRer
- 25 posts since 5 Jun, 2007
If you make a cake from scratch, it's your cake.
If you use a Dunkin Hines cake mix, it's easier, but it's still your cake.
If you buy a cake at the bake shop, it's your cake.
People just like cake
....although....
There's always a special respect and place in people's hearts for a cake baked from scratch.
If you use a Dunkin Hines cake mix, it's easier, but it's still your cake.
If you buy a cake at the bake shop, it's your cake.
People just like cake
....although....
There's always a special respect and place in people's hearts for a cake baked from scratch.
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- KVRer
- 10 posts since 22 Apr, 2013
I hope it will be sentenced to life in prison.
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- KVRAF
- 2454 posts since 5 Oct, 2003
If you look at it as a tool that creates possibilities and if you like those possibilities and can use them as building blocks, then why is any tool not good. I think we need to use anything that provides new discoveries.
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- KVRAF
- 5223 posts since 20 Jul, 2010
I could argue that, used dilligently, these musicality plugins could actually help an inquiring mind. Just because you first saw a particular place as a tourist, that doesn't stop you from learning about the culture of that area and exploring it in more detail on your own steam
The problem is that these plugins are often symptomatic of an "I can't be bothered" trend/culture of dumbing down music creation to turn it into a more passive endeavour. Press button, get bacon. Press it again! More bacon! Who cares why, it's BACON! This is a great way to sell more plugins and give people the feeling of being creative with less work. It's great business sense! But when a plugin does something for you that seems "automagical" or creates an effect you like, I think you owe it to yourself to look into what's going on behind the hood - be it chord sequences or DSP processes. Push yourself but as far as you feel you need to to grow.
My personal (and it's just that) take is that just be interested, be inquisitive. Don't be a slave to the next great plugin and rely on them to make you feel talented. If the worst comes to the worst, go back to basics - try writing some simple piano pieces or an organ fugue. Better to suck on your own terms because then you can learn, own that suckage and overcome it
The problem is that these plugins are often symptomatic of an "I can't be bothered" trend/culture of dumbing down music creation to turn it into a more passive endeavour. Press button, get bacon. Press it again! More bacon! Who cares why, it's BACON! This is a great way to sell more plugins and give people the feeling of being creative with less work. It's great business sense! But when a plugin does something for you that seems "automagical" or creates an effect you like, I think you owe it to yourself to look into what's going on behind the hood - be it chord sequences or DSP processes. Push yourself but as far as you feel you need to to grow.
My personal (and it's just that) take is that just be interested, be inquisitive. Don't be a slave to the next great plugin and rely on them to make you feel talented. If the worst comes to the worst, go back to basics - try writing some simple piano pieces or an organ fugue. Better to suck on your own terms because then you can learn, own that suckage and overcome it
http://sendy.bandcamp.com/releases < My new album at Bandcamp! Now pay what you like!
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- KVRist
- 322 posts since 1 Oct, 2010
I thought the name was a play on words with the actress Fran Drescher but I don't think that's the case!
John
"B4serenity"
"B4serenity"
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kukident-youth kukident-youth https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=340113
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- 245 posts since 22 Oct, 2014
Thanks guys, maybe i didnt see it clear it only, by the "strange" judge of my neigbor-daughter.
But she is right: It dosnt is from interest if i use a rhyme-lexicon, everybody can do this, but nobody will sound like Christian Morgenstern!
The Art beginns where the craft find its end! Or other: the soul makes the music not the notes!
I want this to believe, but otherwise is music (its math) maybe the first art-bastion wich computers occupied?
If phrasendrescher beats me on my own territortally, which area will save for maschines?
No real human is able to win against a special-check-app, and they uses only math and a big "remember-storage". Music is also a lot of math, also graffitys and other golden-cut-pictures.
No drummer can perform like a good rhythm-maschine (with some plugs behind, or special SQ-edits) ... what is here the craft what the Art?
I guess i want to believe you, but i cant.
Sooner or later, maschines will lead us. Then in end all we all do is just math! Well, there are fantastillionen of neurons and synapses which "hit" any decission, but under the hood: This is simple math: even not math, only boolish operations: yes or no!
And tonly he "orchester" of all this fantasticallion y/n will give us an decission.
Its only a qeustion of time, that maschines do that better than we. And Phrasendrescher and BigBlue are only friendly hints for us: Human, your time as "King of gods creation" will not take ever!
We recommend: please, do your best and use the time with your exclusive status!
Its not big blue (or meanwhile better check-apps for 0,99 cents) or pharsendrescher or special-face-recognize-apps or special-disease-scanner-apps... which do it job maybe better than the most talented human, witch damage my head, its the possibility that they can combined (sooner or later) and that a such complex maschine develope by itself a think like "soul" - i cant imagine that an extrem-high-complex maschine like our brain, not evrytime will not "develope" a thing like awarness.
But maybe this is also an antrophocence wrong inclusion, we are not even to understand "golden-lion-monkeys" which are very "altrustic", and our main-exception to aliens is: hopefully they will not invasion us... The problem is: we are the most aggressive and enemy-looking kind of the whole planet with a brain greater than a suit-reverse-knob!
We have to be angry and become in fear buy thinking about stuff like this (and i´m not an exception, in the oppsite, as you can see, i´m more full of fear than you), but outside this, i think (sometimes i hope) it is time, that a better "art" will domestic us!
The problem is, wjre will i be in all this "better world" with my small human wisches?
So, the hobby-philosophic is open now;-)
What i really like on humans is the ability to change the view of a point very often - somebody call this "humor"!
And i think, it will take some "generations" that maschines develope this abaility!
But she is right: It dosnt is from interest if i use a rhyme-lexicon, everybody can do this, but nobody will sound like Christian Morgenstern!
The Art beginns where the craft find its end! Or other: the soul makes the music not the notes!
I want this to believe, but otherwise is music (its math) maybe the first art-bastion wich computers occupied?
If phrasendrescher beats me on my own territortally, which area will save for maschines?
No real human is able to win against a special-check-app, and they uses only math and a big "remember-storage". Music is also a lot of math, also graffitys and other golden-cut-pictures.
No drummer can perform like a good rhythm-maschine (with some plugs behind, or special SQ-edits) ... what is here the craft what the Art?
I guess i want to believe you, but i cant.
Sooner or later, maschines will lead us. Then in end all we all do is just math! Well, there are fantastillionen of neurons and synapses which "hit" any decission, but under the hood: This is simple math: even not math, only boolish operations: yes or no!
And tonly he "orchester" of all this fantasticallion y/n will give us an decission.
Its only a qeustion of time, that maschines do that better than we. And Phrasendrescher and BigBlue are only friendly hints for us: Human, your time as "King of gods creation" will not take ever!
We recommend: please, do your best and use the time with your exclusive status!
Its not big blue (or meanwhile better check-apps for 0,99 cents) or pharsendrescher or special-face-recognize-apps or special-disease-scanner-apps... which do it job maybe better than the most talented human, witch damage my head, its the possibility that they can combined (sooner or later) and that a such complex maschine develope by itself a think like "soul" - i cant imagine that an extrem-high-complex maschine like our brain, not evrytime will not "develope" a thing like awarness.
But maybe this is also an antrophocence wrong inclusion, we are not even to understand "golden-lion-monkeys" which are very "altrustic", and our main-exception to aliens is: hopefully they will not invasion us... The problem is: we are the most aggressive and enemy-looking kind of the whole planet with a brain greater than a suit-reverse-knob!
We have to be angry and become in fear buy thinking about stuff like this (and i´m not an exception, in the oppsite, as you can see, i´m more full of fear than you), but outside this, i think (sometimes i hope) it is time, that a better "art" will domestic us!
The problem is, wjre will i be in all this "better world" with my small human wisches?
So, the hobby-philosophic is open now;-)
What i really like on humans is the ability to change the view of a point very often - somebody call this "humor"!
And i think, it will take some "generations" that maschines develope this abaility!
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
We humans like to make tools and we like to use tools to make things. While your dystopian vision is a world where we are slave to our machines may come to pass in a certain sense, it is not the only answer. Just look at the rise in popularity of analog in reaction to digital. The rise in popularity of modular. The rise in popularity of hand crafted arts and crafts. The renewed interest in vinyl. The renewed interest in film cameras. We may love our machines, but we inhabit an analog world (no physics debates, please). There is room for both.
Cake AND bacon... Yum!
Cake AND bacon... Yum!
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRAF
- 9091 posts since 28 May, 2005 from Netherneverlands
Also:Musical Gym wrote:http://aggregato.jimdo.com/instruments/phrasendrescher/
Came out yesterday;
Phrasendrescher
Full-DL with "lifetime-support":
As long as my company exist you will get all updates and extras for Phrasendrescher for free!
Release 31.03. 2016!
The price below is guilty until 10 of April 2016. After this: more!
14,94 €
no tax, free shipping
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In firefox for example it looks awful and the buying dosnt work!
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