The Outer Limits Principle

[wagtunes]

Let me expand on the sound generation module above.
Each sound source would be derived from a color spectrum. If you've ever worked with Photoshop, you know how you click on the color box and you can move the cursor to any part of the color spectrum?

This is nothing new. The audio equivalent would be an EQ that let's you filter a portion of the audio spectrum. If you want to have a more fine grained control over the frequency content try an additive synth like Harmor as was already proposed by recursive one.

I have Harmor. It doesn't do what I outlined.

And while I'm here, let me get Nuklear out of the way since I was "ordered" to familiarize myself with it or shut up.

The synth has some nice features. Certainly sounds cool and can do some really cool old school sounds and sequences. Sadly, the GUI is microscopic, so that ends that.

I will move on to one of the other suggestions next.

[Numanoid]

The synth has some nice features. Certainly sounds cool and can do some really cool old school sounds and sequences. Sadly, the GUI is microscopic, so that ends that.

If that is how you approach plugs, spending 20 minutes to learn them, before you want more

I think you have barely scratched the surface of the plugs you already own.

[wagtunes]

Okay, Kontour. It's a Reaktor 5 synth. I already know Reaktor 5 can put together anything that your brain can think of. Programming in it is too tedious and I don't buy Reaktor synths, which is why I also don't own Razor. It's just something I won't do. If it's not a free download ensemble, I have no use for it.

[wagtunes]

The synth has some nice features. Certainly sounds cool and can do some really cool old school sounds and sequences. Sadly, the GUI is microscopic, so that ends that.

If that is how you approach plugs, spending 20 minutes to learn them, before you want more

I think you have barely scratched the surface of the plugs you already own.

Don't need to spend 20 seconds when the GUI is unreadable.

[BBFG#]

Let me expand on the sound generation module above.
Each sound source would be derived from a color spectrum. If you've ever worked with Photoshop, you know how you click on the color box and you can move the cursor to any part of the color spectrum?

I think the problem with this though is the color paradigm effectively becomes an x-y two dimensional. As where sound is a multi-dimensional continuum. Perhaps looking into the membranes beyond color would be necessary then. Maybe look at some Tube, String and Membrane - 11th dimension theories to get a different sense of metaphor here?

[Numanoid]

Let me expand on the sound generation module above.
Each sound source would be derived from a color spectrum. If you've ever worked with Photoshop, you know how you click on the color box and you can move the cursor to any part of the color spectrum?

I think the problem with this though is the color paradigm effectively becomes an x-y two dimensional. As where sound is a multi-dimensional continuum. Perhaps looking into the membranes beyond color would be necessary then. Maybe look at some Tube, String and Membrane - 11th dimension theories to get a different sense of metaphor here?

Or keep an eye out for the forthcoming 3D wavetable synth of Tone2 called Icarus

[Teksonik]

And all of these

There was one single tool used to create every one of those sounds.........imagination.

I doubt there will ever be a single synth, software or hardware that doesn't use samples as you requested that will ever be able to do those sounds and even if there was none of us here could afford to own it.....

I admire your quest for new and unusual synthesis methods as much too often here I see people define synthesis as a saw wave through a low pass filter. The world of synthesis is so much wider than that narrow definition.

However I think it comes down to technical limitations and perhaps what you seek is just not possible or practical at this time.

[wagtunes]

Let me expand on the sound generation module above.
Each sound source would be derived from a color spectrum. If you've ever worked with Photoshop, you know how you click on the color box and you can move the cursor to any part of the color spectrum?

I think the problem with this though is the color paradigm effectively becomes an x-y two dimensional. As where sound is a multi-dimensional continuum. Perhaps looking into the membranes beyond color would be necessary then. Maybe look at some Tube, String and Membrane - 11th dimension theories to get a different sense of metaphor here?

I like it! Yes, something like that.

[wagtunes]

And all of these

There was one single tool used to create every one of those sounds.........imagination.

I doubt there will ever be a single synth, software or hardware that doesn't use samples as you requested that will ever be able to do those sounds and even if there was none of us here could afford to own it.....

I admire your quest for new and unusual synthesis methods as much too often here I see people define synthesis as a saw wave through a low pass filter. The world of synthesis is so much wider than that narrow definition.

However I think it comes down to technical limitations and perhaps what you seek is just not possible or practical at this time.

I can't argue with anything you've said because you're probably quite right. That, and if somebody did invent such a synth, few people would probably even want it or be able to use it.

[BBFG#]

Let me expand on the sound generation module above.
Each sound source would be derived from a color spectrum. If you've ever worked with Photoshop, you know how you click on the color box and you can move the cursor to any part of the color spectrum?

I think the problem with this though is the color paradigm effectively becomes an x-y two dimensional. As where sound is a multi-dimensional continuum. Perhaps looking into the membranes beyond color would be necessary then. Maybe look at some Tube, String and Membrane - 11th dimension theories to get a different sense of metaphor here?

Or keep an eye out for the forthcoming 3D wavetable synth of Tone2 called Icarus

The problem instantly shows that '3d' would be far too 'limiting'.
Effectively, all sound produced is by our simple nature in '4D'.
And that which we do in the digital realm is produced by linear '2D' representations trying its best to trick us into super imposing the other two dimensions. This whole idea is something that would need to be built from a completely fresh start with the premise that everything so far has come to a dead end.

[wagtunes]

dude couldn't find the master volume on a plugin, had to ask for directions on a forum, and then says things like 'reaktor 6 falls short' ... lol! ... whatever the answer to this guys pie-in-the-sky ramblings, he wouldn't be able to use it.

#$%# you! Blunt enough? If you're going to come here just to insult me, get the hell out of my face because I'm not in the mood.

But is it true that you asked to find where the master volume is on a plug?

Damn, I really didn't want to get into this here but that ArcSyn GUI is an abomination. I couldn't tell where almost anything was on it because of the horrible colors, small fonts, lack of demarcation between sections and size. No, I couldn't see the volume knob, which was just marked "master" and not where I'd expect to find a master volume.

None of that gives him the right to insult me. None of it.

[Numanoid]

I can't argue with anything you've said because you're probably quite right. That, and if somebody did invent such a synth, few people would probably even want it or be able to use it.

Are you trolling?

What was the reason of starting this thread, and now you seemingly poke fun at new creations as few people would want them or could use them?

[BlitBit]

I already know Reaktor 5 can put together anything that your brain can think of.

So, there's your solution.

Programming in it is too tedious...

And here's your problem. You are asking for a synth which let's you synthesize something that has some of the qualities of sounds that were produced by layering samples (the YouTube examples that you have posted) but don't want to deal with the complexities that such an approach would bring.

If you look at the spectral evolution of some of the samples that you gave as examples you will likely see some very complex changes for which there is no simple description. Yet still you want to be able to produce these with a simple synth with a few knobs in a predictable manner.

That's also the reason why you will likely not see any breakthrough new approaches to sound creation. All the existing approaches are simply the approaches that are manageable and predictable.

[wagtunes]

I can't argue with anything you've said because you're probably quite right. That, and if somebody did invent such a synth, few people would probably even want it or be able to use it.

Are you trolling?

What was the reason of starting this thread, and now you seemingly poke fun at new creations as few people would want them or could use them?

No, I am not trolling. I am one of those few people who would pay good money for such a synth. But the sad truth is, nobody is going to make it if I'm their only customer. That is why I can't argue with what he said.

[wagtunes]

I already know Reaktor 5 can put together anything that your brain can think of.

So, there's your solution.

Programming in it is too tedious...

And here's your problem. You are asking for a synth which let's you synthesize something that has some of the qualities of sounds that were produced by layering samples (the YouTube examples that you have posted) but don't want to deal with the complexities that such an approach would bring.

If you look at the spectral evolution of some of the samples that you gave as examples you will likely see some very complex changes for which there is no simple description. Yet still you want to be able to produce these with a simple synth with a few knobs in a predictable manner.

That's also the reason why you will likely not see any breakthrough new approaches to sound creation. All the existing approaches are simply the approaches that are manageable and predictable.

So you're saying my only option is to create what I want myself.