What the "F" of a scale is that??

[Passante]

What kind of scale did I just ended up with?

F, F#, Ab, Bb, B, C, C#

Can somebody help solve the mystery?

[Sandy]

That is textbook Phrygiderp mode

[Mace404]

C# Major if you leave out your B

[cryophonik]

The first two questions that pop into my mind are:

1) What made you conclude that this is a scale?, and
2) Which note is the tonic?

Unless there is an implied F-natural a diminished fourth above the C#, it doesn't conform with octave equivalency and thus, apparently, has two tonics (F and C#), so maybe that's a clue? Moreover, though, if these are just notes in a piece/passage, then the context is important to know if we're talking about scale vs non-scale notes. My guess is that Mace404 is on the right track - either your B-natural is an accidental/non-scale tone and your scale is C#-major/A#-minor (C# D# [omitted] E# F# G# A# B#), or the C-natural is an accidental/non-scale tone and your scale is F#-major (F# G# A# B C# D# [omitted] E#) (since the D# is omitted, it's not D# minor). Note that in both cases, I used the appropriate enharmonic equivalents for the named scales (i.e., your F would be an E# and your Ab and Bb are be G# and A#, respectively).

[Doug1978]

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[Passante]

The first two questions that pop into my mind are:

1) What made you conclude that this is a scale?, and

Nothing, I'm just ignorant on the matter. It should be a mode then I suppose?

2) Which note is the tonic?

F or C# now that I read your post

Unless there is an implied F-natural a diminished fourth above the C#, it doesn't conform with octave equivalency and thus, apparently, has two tonics (F and C#), so maybe that's a clue? Moreover, though, if these are just notes in a piece/passage, then the context is important to know if we're talking about scale vs non-scale notes. My guess is that Mace404 is on the right track - either your B-natural is an accidental/non-scale tone and your scale is C#-major/A#-minor (C# D# [omitted] E# F# G# A# B#), or the C-natural is an accidental/non-scale tone and your scale is F#-major (F# G# A# B C# D# [omitted] E#) (since the D# is omitted, it's not D# minor). Note that in both cases, I used the appropriate enharmonic equivalents for the named scales (i.e., your F would be an E# and your Ab and Bb are be G# and A#, respectively).

Well, this definitely helps. So maybe the (B) is an accidental in this case? It enters into play only on the last bar of that melody (a simple 8 bar trance melody) but it really fits well in that context. It goes from C# and concludes on B.

[cryophonik]

The first two questions that pop into my mind are:

1) What made you conclude that this is a scale?, and

Nothing, I'm just ignorant on the matter. It should be a mode then I suppose?

Well, not necessarily. My point was more that a scale is not just an inventory of all the notes used in a particular track. In many songs, all of the notes are from the same scale (i.e., all in the same key), but there are many uses for notes (or chords that use notes) not found in that scale. It sounds like that's what's going on here, but there's not enough info to go on.

It would probably be a lot easier to help you figure this out if we could hear it because the question can't really be answered without a musical context.

[Passante]

Yeah, I could send a link to those who are interested...

[zethus909]

youre basically in F#/Gb (Major) with an added slide note that makes it sound bluesy.(but youre also subtracting the D#/Eb note), which makes it sound like weirdness.

thats how i look at it.

[Passante]

Thanks zethus909.
But Cryophonic says I'm in C# Major. You say I'm in F#/Gb Major.

For the rest you're correct cause I don't use the D# and add the B on the last 2 bars.

[cryophonik]

The B#, which distinguishes C# major from F# major, plays a prominent role in the melody throughout the entire riff. Also, the riff sounds centered in C# and doesn't resolve to F#. The B-natural (which would be prominent in the key of F# major) plays a secondary role in this riff and doesn't establish F# as the tonic, at least not from my listening perspective. Then again, it is a riff that is taken out of a larger context, so it's entirely possible that zethus909 is hearing F# as the tonic.

As for the omission of the D#, that wouldn't help because it's common to both keys and there's nothing wrong or unconventional about omitting it, so I wouldn't put too much emphasis on that.

[zethus909]

Thanks zethus909.
But Cryophonic says I'm in C# Major. You say I'm in F#/Gb Major.

For the rest you're correct cause I don't use the D# and add the B on the last 2 bars.

this is just how i hear it.....it's not about being correct...it's music...there is no correct.....this is just the way i would interpret it....based on my background. plus ther is no context.....you dont have an audio clip or anything so...it's

if you are a slave to music theory you aren't making musikkk k ,

[tapper mike]

I disagree, we are all slaves to music theory so long as we ascribe the term music to what we are doing with sound. Simply because you haven't found a theory (or choose to ignore it) doesn't mean a theory doesn't exist or can't be created to justify sounds across the landscape of time. Those who find disagreement are only victims of ignorance and apathy.

[zethus909]

oh and also...the scale you made..is a scale..it's your scale...you can decide to make whatever you want to be a scale..it should have a tonal center atleast....the tonal center is the befginning (and ending).

here this is scale i just made..

C C# D D# E A# B C

i'm going to call it the Slinkledoooyyy67r786ole7770 Scale

here's another scale

C D E F G A B C , I call it the Major Scale....why? because everyone else does...do I have to call it the Major Scale? no. I can call it the Happy Scale.

[Opax]

What kind of scale did I just ended up with?

F, F#, Ab, Bb, B, C, C#

Can somebody help solve the mystery?

If F#/Gb was the root note and you included a D#/Eb you would have the Japanese scale F#/Gb ichikosucho. It's basically a major scale with an added #4 (1-2-3-4-#4-5-6-7-1).