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Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:40 pm

Ridan wrote:Gotta say I'm on the same boat with chaosWyrM, chk071, and aMUSEd on this one.

Just because he is a pioneer, and got more gear than any one of you ever will manage to get hold of, doesn't mean you have to diss him does it?

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:42 pm

If I had to pick just one it would be TangerineDream's Rubycon.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:44 pm

Numanoid wrote:
Ridan wrote:Gotta say I'm on the same boat with chaosWyrM, chk071, and aMUSEd on this one.
Just because he is a pioneer, and got more gear than any one of you ever will manage to get hold of, doesn't mean you have to diss him does it?

I've never really understood why he's seen as a pioneer, his music was just a simplification and commercialisation of what others were doing already.

Googly Smythe · Post by **Googly Smythe** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:46 pm

Numanoid wrote:
Ridan wrote:Gotta say I'm on the same boat with chaosWyrM, chk071, and aMUSEd on this one.
Just because he is a pioneer, and got more gear than any one of you ever will manage to get hold of, doesn't mean you have to diss him does it?

Expressing dislike is not dissing, surely? (Despite both words containing "dis")

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:46 pm

aMUSEd wrote:I've never really understood why he's seen as a pioneer, his music was just a simplification and commercialisation of what others were doing already.

Just like The Beatles then

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:47 pm

Numanoid wrote:
Ridan wrote:Gotta say I'm on the same boat with chaosWyrM, chk071, and aMUSEd on this one.
Just because he is a pioneer, and got more gear than any one of you ever will manage to get hold of, doesn't mean you have to diss him does it?

Can't see how a diss (disrespect) would equal to disagreeing that "Equinoxe 4" is "The best ever piece of electronic music". I don't disrespect the guy, i just don't care for his music.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:51 pm

Numanoid wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:I've never really understood why he's seen as a pioneer, his music was just a simplification and commercialisation of what others were doing already.
Just like The Beatles then

Well I don't like them much either. He's not a pioneer, at least not of electronic music. It was already well established.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:52 pm

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

So take the OP or leave it alone

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 10:54 pm

aMUSEd wrote:He's not a pioneer, at least not of electronic music. It was already well established.

You mean the big EDM stars started out already in the '60s ?

Electronic music was for the most part seen as novelty with the like of W. Carlos until Jean Michelle came along to sell it to the masses

deastman · Post by **deastman** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:10 pm

Numanoid wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:He's not a pioneer, at least not of electronic music. It was already well established.
You mean the big EDM stars started out already in the '60s ?

Electronic music was for the most part seen as novelty with the like of W. Carlos and Jean Michelle until Kraftwerk came along to sell it to the masses

Fixed that for you.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:11 pm

Numanoid wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:He's not a pioneer, at least not of electronic music. It was already well established.
You mean the big EDM stars started out already in the '60s ?

Electronic music was for the most part seen as novelty with the like of W. Carlos until Jean Michelle came along to sell it to the masses

Yeah, I was around at that time and had been listening to electronic music for years (not Carlos but ELP, Floyd, prog, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Annette peacock, Krautrock, Henry Cow, experimental, moden classical etc) so when JMC came along it just seemed pretty banal and uninteresting. I think the bigger influences on EDM were people like Moroder and late 70's synthpop (which also was less influenced by JMC and more by Bowie, Roxy Music, Kraftwork and the likes)

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:11 pm

deastman wrote:
Numanoid wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:He's not a pioneer, at least not of electronic music. It was already well established.
You mean the big EDM stars started out already in the '60s ?

Electronic music was for the most part seen as novelty with the like of W. Carlos and Jean Michelle until Kraftwerk came along to sell it to the masses
Fixed that for you.

Kraftwerk is krautrock though, not really proper electronic music ala Jean Michelle

Ridan · Post by **Ridan** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:12 pm

Numanoid wrote:IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

So take the OP or leave it alone

"The best ever piece of electronic music has to be Jarre's 'Equinoxe 4'
Agree? - Disagree?"

Just stating why i disagreed. Don't have anything against Jarre's music in particular. Whether he is a pioneer of "EDM" or not doesn't matter much.

No worries.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:14 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
Numanoid wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:He's not a pioneer, at least not of electronic music. It was already well established.
You mean the big EDM stars started out already in the '60s ?

Electronic music was for the most part seen as novelty with the like of W. Carlos until Jean Michelle came along to sell it to the masses
Yeah, I was around at that time and had been listening to electronic music for years (not Carlos but ELP, Floyd, Tangerine Dream, Annette peacock, Krautrock, Henry Cow, experimental, moden classical etc) so when JMC came along it just seemed pretty banal and uninteresting. I think the bigger influences on EDM were people like Moroder and late 70's synthpop (which also was less influenced by JMC and more by Bowie, Roxy Music, Kraftwork and the likes)

ELP, Pink Floyd and Henry Cow is as electronic musically as Dwight Yoakam if you ask me

Whatever Jean Michelle did, he took some inspiration, and distilled that into something far more potent

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Apr 09, 2016 11:18 pm

Numanoid wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
Numanoid wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:He's not a pioneer, at least not of electronic music. It was already well established.
You mean the big EDM stars started out already in the '60s ?

Electronic music was for the most part seen as novelty with the like of W. Carlos until Jean Michelle came along to sell it to the masses
Yeah, I was around at that time and had been listening to electronic music for years (not Carlos but ELP, Floyd, Tangerine Dream, Annette peacock, Krautrock, Henry Cow, experimental, moden classical etc) so when JMC came along it just seemed pretty banal and uninteresting. I think the bigger influences on EDM were people like Moroder and late 70's synthpop (which also was less influenced by JMC and more by Bowie, Roxy Music, Kraftwork and the likes)
ELP, Pink Floyd and Henry Cow is as electronic musically as Dwight Yoakam if you ask me

Nonsense - they incorporated lots of electronics into their music (synths and samples, field recordings etc). I very much doubt JMC influenced early synth based bands in the mid 70's that much given that many were already experimenting with synth based music when he brought out Oxygene. It was bands like Kraftwork, Roxy's/Eno and Bowie they were following. And Moroder for the poppier stuff.