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pone · Post by **pone** » Tue Apr 12, 2016 12:29 pm

I wish there would be a setting in melda plugins that would affect advanced plugin settings like sync interpolation, automation interpolation, oversampling etc. that would be separate from the ones used during realtime use.

EDIT: yay, thanks

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:09 am

Sorry that's again ABSOLUTE NO!

I already explained several times with the upsampling. So again, if you work with the mix, you see how it sounds. When you render it, it should SOUND THE SAME! If you change upsampling, smart inteprolation or anything, it MAY SOUND DIFFERENT! You don't want that, period

. People search for magic cures all the time, makes no sense... Upsampling is definitely not a magic cure people think it is... (and some developers try to market it for..)

pone · Post by **pone** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:46 am

I'm all for "what you hear is what you get". But the idea was that you work with the plugin, set it to the upsampling and automation interpolation etc. how you want it to sound in the end and then set it to an acceptable economic level of no/less oversampling etc, with the non-eco mode activating on offline render...

EDIT: well, sucks to be me. *continues doing it manually*

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 9:20 am

I think it would at least work pretty well for smart interpolation of multiparams/modulators. I would always use maximum if it wouldn't consume CPU. There is really no point in using coarse interpolation except for CPU saving. I only set this to normal or even less to be able to do lots of modulations at once, but this is just a trade-off for performance, it's not a sound decision. Therefore an online/offline mode would help a lot. For stuff like oversampling or even OSC quality I agree that it's also a sound decision and not only a performance decision.

But, there is a perfect solution, it could be done like e.g. in NI Kontakt, you can specify quality settings individually for the offline and online mode.

Best would probably to leave the whole GUI as it is, and in the settings dialog add a "render quality" section which lets you define overrides for certain settings. So you could choose for OSC quality, oversampling, smart interpolation etc. to "use online settings" for offline export, or "specify offline mode override" settings.

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:52 pm

Yeah, I'm more interested in interpolation than over sampling too. I run some pretty complex modulation and even with a maxed out i7 I can't try the higher modes. I'd love to be able to hear how good it sounds at max.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:53 pm

Thorsten, as I said, no, not going to happen. It's just wrong... It could sound different. Nobody says that "extreme smart interpolation" is the best, sometimes it is, sometimes it is not...

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:54 pm

vectorwarrior wrote:Yeah, I'm more interested in interpolation than over sampling too. I run some pretty complex modulation and even with a maxed out i7 I can't try the higher modes. I'd love to be able to hear how good it sounds at max.

If you want to try, then just set it up and render

. I mixed a whole album on high school...

horrible...

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 1:58 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:
vectorwarrior wrote:Yeah, I'm more interested in interpolation than over sampling too. I run some pretty complex modulation and even with a maxed out i7 I can't try the higher modes. I'd love to be able to hear how good it sounds at max.
If you want to try, then just set it up and render . I mixed a whole album on high school... horrible...

Well, it's a lot of plugins, I do a LOT of rendering (most video games have over 10,000 sounds) and I've got work to do

joule · Post by **joule** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 6:02 pm

I've been thinking about this as well, but understand vojtechs conclusion.

All the high quality settings are already possible to save as a ABCD preset, no? Then it's a fairly simple (but slightly tedious) task to have a copy of the preset with high quality settings on another preset slot, for easy switching.

EDIT: Disregard, as upsampling setting is not saved in presets

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 7:46 pm

I haven't encountered a case where low smart interpolation sounded better than high. But to the contrary, when you let modulators work as quick envelopes or as high frequency LFOs then you can often hear that higher interpolation sounds much better, but needs much more CPU. Anyway, so I disagree that it is wrong.

And if done like I proposed there would be no harm done, because people who think that it doesn't make sense can always leave it to the defaults which should be "use online setting".

jmg8 · Post by **jmg8** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:07 pm

So were asking for a new setting that changes 1 setting?

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:26 pm

jmg8 wrote:So were asking for a new setting that changes 1 setting?

For me smart interpolation is the most relevant or most critical. OSC quality is indeed a choice of performance and sound, so it might not be a good idea to include that in the offline/online thing. Filters maybe yes, though I honestly don't hear much difference between the modes. Oversampling again would make sense to add to the offline/online choice if you ask me. So two settings, from my point of view.

Anyway, we can just wait how the poll evolves and whether Vojtech will consider it in the end or not.

vectorwarrior · Post by **vectorwarrior** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:45 pm

ZentralmassivSound wrote:
jmg8 wrote:So were asking for a new setting that changes 1 setting?
For me smart interpolation is the most relevant or most critical. OSC quality is indeed a choice of performance and sound, so it might not be a good idea to include that in the offline/online thing. Filters maybe yes, though I honestly don't hear much difference between the modes. Oversampling again would make sense to add to the offline/online choice if you ask me. So two settings, from my point of view.

Anyway, we can just wait how the poll evolves and whether Vojtech will consider it in the end or not.

+1 on all this. I wouldn't want to change oversampling, just interpolation... some others might want the reverse... so two settings (including a 'use realtime setting' for each) would be ideal for me.

Soundplex · Post by **Soundplex** » Thu Apr 14, 2016 8:48 pm

ZentralmassivSound wrote:For me smart interpolation is the most relevant or most critical. OSC quality is indeed a choice of performance and sound, so it might not be a good idea to include that in the offline/online thing. Filters maybe yes, though I honestly don't hear much difference between the modes. Oversampling again would make sense to add to the offline/online choice if you ask me. So two settings, from my point of view.

Anyway, we can just wait how the poll evolves and whether Vojtech will consider it in the end or not.

Sounds like you wanna urge the developer with all these polls

Maybe this problem has also technical reasons. I know some systems will not tell the plugin if it is real time or offline rendering. Only a few customers would benefit from this feature.
On the other hand it's just one more setting which would not make the plugins more complicated.

ZentralmassivSound · Post by **ZentralmassivSound** » Fri Apr 15, 2016 8:26 am

Soundplex wrote:Sounds like you wanna urge the developer with all these polls

It's not my poll, my friend.

I'm just throwing my point of view into the discussion.

Besides, it't not a means to urge but to measure what people want.

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