Repro-1 (out now)

[beely]

But your example is flawed as you are only counting two people's opinion; yours and the ballet teacher.

It was a simple example to illustrate a point - not a 30-page essay detailing all possible complexities of a given situation..!

However, if 500 other people in the audience found it good then regardless of the teacher's credentials, she would be a lone voice, a crank, a troll you might say, compared to the majority. How many top selling records get poor reviews...lots..yet they still sell.

Or she could be the one person with enough credentials and experience to make a quality judgement that means anything, versus everyone else who enjoyed it, but couldn't say anything more than that.

Like I say, no one can take away any audience's subjective opinion that they enjoyed it and thought it was excellent, but someone with knowledge could better illustrate *why* it wasn't (which would be lost of those without the experience).

Neither is better than the other as such - they are coming at the performance from different angles.

The average person tends to disregard the critic's opinion because most critics come off as know-it-alls or snobs which tends to get their opinions ignored.

Sure, that's a different topic. Anyway, I don't want to derail Ur's thread with this...

[BR393]

This turned out to be a much harder call than I expected. Since the poll question is "To your ears, which filter behaves most analogue", for me it's still a tie between 2 and 5. Those are the only two filters for which I can't detect anything that sounds like digital artifacts/aliasing either with my ears or a spectrum analyzer. I know Urs has previously stated that what sounds like aliasing on some of the filters isn't necessarily that, but my own experience with analog filters does't include any which produce those types of sounds.

While I think 2 and 5 sound very good and "analog", I also think they're the dullest and most boring of the five algorithms. If the poll question were "Which filter do you prefer", my vote would go to filter 4. Filter 4 retains some of the top end fuzz/sizzle at high resonance settings that 1 has, but without all the crazy digital sounding noise. It's the one that seems to have just the right amount of interesting character to it.

[JJ_Jettflow]

But your example is flawed as you are only counting two people's opinion; yours and the ballet teacher.

It was a simple example to illustrate a point - not a 30-page essay detailing all possible complexities of a given situation..!

Then you might want to use a better example because that one fails to validate your point. That fact is U-he wants all users to test these filters carefully, not just the experts.

[beely]

That fact is U-he wants all users to test these filters carefully, not just the experts.

Sure. Which wasn't at all what my point was. I'm certainly no expert at this, and there are I'm sure things that well trained ears could hear that I'm oblivious to. I'm interested in the results partly to understand my own listening and evaluating skills - to see whether I'm close, or I'm way off the mark, because it's an education and I'm always open to learning to be better.

I found it just as interesting hearing other people's decision making process as well.

So... back to the filters...

[spunkmuffin]

I think Urs designed the question and filters to be as contentions as possible. Very Machiavellian.

[KnickersDown]

Let's:
1. Stop trying to lobby for our favorite filter. .

No. Because 3 is the best.

[ATN69]

Urs is super smart and therefore I think they put in two filters that are the same (as a trick question), waiting to see how people would vote

No seriously, I am sure Urs want and value the "subjective" opinion more than the "objective". It is simply in their question. In the end of the day it should appeal to majority of customers. If something only appeal to a select few, so called "experts", that would just be bad business

[aoao123]

This poll is a mess really, it's obvious if you read through the comments that most people voted for their favourite filter, *not* the most realistic one. I refuse to believe that to a sane producer, filter #5 sounds less analogue than the other 3 currently ahead of it.

#peopleWhoCantReadTheQuestion

[foosnark]

#peopleWhoCantReadTheQuestion

"Analog" is not such a simple, cut-and-dried thing. It's not like asking us to look at photographs to identify which ones have the greatest number of dogs in them. It's a subjective, vague, and diffuse target, and it's going to get subjective answers. There are Pro-Ones that don't sound much like other Pro-Ones, and plenty of other analog filters that sound nothing like any Pro-Ones.

To me they all of these sound "analog enough" (although #1 is suspiciously weird, as to either be obviously wrong or the surprise "right" answer). I'm neither an expert in the sound of Pro-One filters, nor pretend to be (unlike a lot of people here).

Another interesting test might have been to play basically the same sounds on some real Pro-Ones and on the various filter models, and see whether people can actually tell which is which.

[KnickersDown]

most people voted for their favourite filter, *not* the most realistic one.

Most realistic one = favourite one. Same thing.

[KnickersDown]

Why I voted for filter 3

Download this preset
https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/00 ... 126/dcaad7

Unzip and place in your RePro presets folder. On my drive it is found in C:\VstPlugins\u-he\RePro.data\Presets\Repro

Open RePro and load the preset. Start with filter 3. Hit a key on your keyboard and release it immediately. You will hear some bleeps rising up. A few seconds later, the filter will snap shut with a little electronic click that sounds like a mosquito hitting an electric bug zapper. That seemingly unimportant little click is the gold. Nearly all analogue filters can do this. Most soft-synths cannot. Try it with a soft-synth that you own and it most likely will not be capable of this nice snappy click. Early Oberheim or Roland synths from can do this. Cytomic’s The Drop can do this. This little click is very telling.

Now switch to filter 1 and repeat the test. The filter goes bezerk and sounds like a vinyl record slowing down. So filter 1 is not working correctly.

Now try filter 2. The bleeps will rise up but they’ll disappear much earlier than filter 3. The little analogue click when the filter snaps shut is crap compared to filter 3.

Now try filter 5. It sounds almost like filter 2 in that it is lacking the range of filter 3 with the rising bleeps. There is absolutely no nice analogue click when the filter snaps shut.

Now try filter 4. It is almost identical to filter 3 except that there are some unwanted strange artifacts heard that are similar to, but not as bad as, filter 1.

So in order of awesomeness:
Filter 3: This is the best.
Filter 4: Second best.
Filter 2 and 5: Both are crap. Filter 5 smells of fart.
Filter 1: Completely wrong.

[moscom_electronics]

This poll is a mess really, it's obvious if you read through the comments that most people voted for their favourite filter, *not* the most realistic one. I refuse to believe that to a sane producer, filter #5 sounds less analogue than the other 3 currently ahead of it.

#peopleWhoCantReadTheQuestion

I refuse to believe that to a sane producer, it is clear what an analogue-sounding filter is

[Urs]

It's a subjective, vague, and diffuse target, and it's going to get subjective answers.

Hehe, and yet some people find rather objective tests that let them put the 5 filters in order of accuracy

[damonramirez]

I have had three Pro Ones in my life, and I've been going through and going through all the filter modes trying all extreme possible patches and for me mode #4 may be the closest to what my experience of this synthesizer. But they all sound pretty good! 5 might be my lest fave.

That being said Thank you for this opportunity to participate in this study. Looking forward to the final version!! Will it have all the mods, LFO, Arpeggio, 40 note Sequencer, dual ADSR??

[Urs]

I have had three Pro Ones in my life, and I've been going through and going through all the filter modes trying all extreme possible patches and for me mode #4 may be the closest to what my experience of this synthesizer. But they all sound pretty good! 5 might be my lest fave.

That being said Thank you for this opportunity to participate in this study.

Thanks for taking part!

Looking forward to the final version!! Will it have all the mods, LFO, Arpeggio, 40 note Sequencer, dual ADSR??

Yep, all of it