New to Windows 10: advice for stopping updates, data collection, ads,etc

[JJ_Jettflow]

I have been using 10 since day one and I have never had any programs deleted. What kind of programs is Win 10 supposed to deleting???

I don't know if it's been 'fixed' but, for a while at least, W10 was automatically uninstalling certain apps that it didn't consider compatible for whatever reason.

It seems that we're just going to have to get used to this new invasive presence for our computing experiences. We'll all accept it eventually I guess. I'm still on Vista which is currently the best option for a completely non invasive computer experience with little work needed on the part of the user. W7 is desperately trying to get everyone upgraded to W10 as far as I can see so I'm not going there for as long as I possibly can. Slowly though, devs are moving to W7 being minimum requirement so I can't stay here forever

Well our privacy is being eroded globally and most of it looks like its being used to stick ads up of things we already bought.

However, while you may think removing software is evasive, it also is a way to increase stability on the PC. Does it do this without telling you? If so, that is very invasive. It should at least prompt you "these programs are not compatible with Win 10 and need to be removed for stability" or something like that.

If you don't have subscriptions or phone-home software protection, you can always take your DAW offline.

Privacy issues aside, the are good reasons to upgrade. I have been using Windows since XP (after I grew up and stop wasting money on Apple) and there is a big difference between Vista and 10.

[do_androids_dream]

Privacy issues aside, the are good reasons to upgrade. I have been using Windows since XP (after I grew up and stop wasting money on Apple) and there is a big difference between Vista and 10.

There are very good reasons to upgrade simply from a 'software-I-can't-use' point of view. For instance Pro Tools, Reason, Sonar and probably a good few other DAW's now require W7 as minimum requirement. I just wish I didn't have to as I've had a flawless set up on Vista since SP2's release.

[Touch The Universe]

These updates are a serious PITA people! Updates seems to always cause problems for me. Happened many times and most recently on a brand new system with windows 10 this time. Updates that are absolutely literally impossible to prevent. After the first update failure a few years ago, I was in a situation where I needed to install an update to perhaps fix a serious video card graphic issue, I was extremely hesitant. Installed the update, and complete computer failure. Had to load up ubuntu, save data, and reinstall windows and software. Took 2 days full time.

This time on a brand new system, I keep seeing these update are ready to be installed. I did everything I can to prevent the updates by doing a lot of tinkering and what not, but it turns out you can only temporarly prevent the installation. Each request time put back is always shorter, and within 2-3 weeks, no matter what, the system will be updated. It is beyond control!!?? wtf??

After these update the touch screen on my 2 in 1 laptop/tablet stopped working and went complete haywire. It was as though someone was constantly touching the screen even though nothing was touching it. It'd open apps on its own, etc. It was only a month old so I had to get the LCD replace and still that didn't work. I had to ship it off to the manufacturer now and have to wait 2-3 weeks to get it back, after they install a new LCD? They don't know whats wrong with it, it seems. This all happened immidiately after a forced windows 10 update!

These OS's are getting completely out of hand, invasive, and problem prone these days. Linux is looking appealing these days. If it had all the apps that windows or mac does, it would be a non issue for crying out loud.

[chk071]

These updates are a serious PITA people! Updates seems to always cause problems for me. Happened many times and most recently on a brand new system with windows 10 this time. Updates that are absolutely literally impossible to prevent. After the first update failure a few years ago, I was in a situation where I needed to install an update to perhaps fix a serious video card graphic issue, I was extremely hesitant. Installed the update, and complete computer failure. Had to load up ubuntu, save data, and reinstall windows and software. Took 2 days full time.

This time on a brand new system, I keep seeing these update are ready to be installed. I did everything I can to prevent the updates by doing a lot of tinkering and what not, but it turns out you can only temporarly prevent the installation. Each request time put back is always shorter, and within 2-3 weeks, no matter what, the system will be updated. It is beyond control!!?? wtf??

After these update the touch screen on my 2 in 1 laptop/tablet stopped working and went complete haywire. It was as though someone was constantly touching the screen even though nothing was touching it. It'd open apps on its own, etc. It was only a month old so I had to get the LCD replace and still that didn't work. I had to ship it off to the manufacturer now and have to wait 2-3 weeks to get it back, after they install a new LCD? They don't know whats wrong with it, it seems. This all happened immidiately after a forced windows 10 update!

These OS's are getting completely out of hand, invasive, and problem prone these days. Linux is looking appealing these days. If it had all the apps that windows or mac does, it would be a non issue for crying out loud.

Tbh, i don't see how any of this would be OS, or rather "forced update" related. You would update your Ubuntu too, wouldn't you? I think you rather have to blame the manufacturer of your device, for either a shitty hardware compilation, or shitty drivers.

[Touch The Universe]

It was fine until the update, nuff said. I don't update the OS anymore, be it win or ubuntu which is my thought out choice. I wouldn't have updated the forced update so it would still be working now! Pray tell, how then is it not a forced update issue? The same problem happened to many others as well.

[chk071]

You may encounter many more problems if you don't update. If your computer has issues with new Windows updates, then the computer is the issue, not the updates.

[dnekm]

You may encounter many more problems if you don't update. If your computer has issues with new Windows updates, then the computer is the issue, not the updates.

That is an absurd statement.....

If you have been using PC's for any length of time - with the variety of hardware and software potential nightmares - then you would have experienced something similar....

You have to tame the beast. It belongs to you - not the other way round.....

[chk071]

Why is it that whenever i visit threads like these, i turn around and leave them with a huge facepalm? Or rather, question to self, why do i even bother to post in such threads anymore? Should just concentrate on my own stuff with my own machines which mysteriously run perfectly fine, even when doing every updates there is.

[Touch The Universe]

That may be true, but, I've had a system working for 5 years with no updates. They are not necessary for a stable computer! The track record for me isn't so good, so the risks outweighs the gains. I know what updates are and what they claim. If I'd had no issues with them then I wouldn't mind them, period. If you've had 3 or more issues immediately after updates, would you still think they are so necessary? If you have no issues, good for you, but, they also carry risks. This is true. Most of us just want a working computer and don't need so much security since we only work up music and what not. Updates made drivers obsolete, causes software issues, and many other problems. We should be able to avoid these after spending thousands of dollars for our systems. Why would a free or even 200 dollar software OS dictate the stability of thousands of dollars of hardware gear. It's ludicrous not to have a choice.

[chk071]

That may be true, but, I've had a system working for 5 years with no updates. They are not necessary for a stable computer!

Well, they are. And even worse, your software might not run if you don't have update or service pack XY installed (see system requirements, which often lists Windows version XY with service pack AB installed). But what do i know. I'm just a effing idiot who makes absurd statements.

[dnekm]

Why is it that whenever i visit threads like these, i turn around and leave them with a huge facepalm? Or rather, question to self, why do i even bother to post in such threads anymore? Should just concentrate on my own stuff with my own machines which mysteriously run perfectly fine, even when doing every updates there is.

I do not know.... Maybe because computer are your servants and not your masters?

[Touch The Universe]

Why is it that whenever i visit threads like these, i turn around and leave them with a huge facepalm? Or rather, question to self, why do i even bother to post in such threads anymore? Should just concentrate on my own stuff with my own machines which mysteriously run perfectly fine, even when doing every updates there is.

Because you seem not to even consider other people's point of view or even acknowledge the problems others face, and or divert the issue to something else as the problem when making the reasons for the claim are equal to the original claim. It's not the update that caused the problem but the hardware? Does that need to be said. They are both related, one needs the other to work and are equally the cause of the issue, not either or.

[Touch The Universe]

That may be true, but, I've had a system working for 5 years with no updates. They are not necessary for a stable computer!

Well, they are. And even worse, your software might not run if you don't have update or service pack XY installed (see system requirements, which often lists Windows version XY with service pack AB installed). But what do i know. I'm just a effing idiot who makes absurd statements.

haha, no one is saying or implying that bro. Just atleast allow the validity of others claims and not say they are entirely false. You can say updates are better because.. but not entirely false because.. Atleast leave some room in there to avoid endless defense arguments. Some people still use xp on offline systems, so that should tell you having the latest updates aren't necessary.

[chk071]

So Windows Update is to blame that your touchscreen doesn't work anymore? Hm, you could be right even, because the drivers, or updates will come through Windows Update. It's still the hardware manufacturers who offers those drivers, when they show up in Windows Update. Nonetheless, it's just silly to argue that you won't update your machine, because you expect problems. Don't you go online with that machine? Don't you install new program versions which might require an up to date Windows? Going by that logic you shouldn't even update your software anyway, because you have to expect problems. Actually, as i said, be sure to expect more issues than preventing issues when not updating. It's your decision of course. And, as i said, reason doesn't seem to be a strong point in threads like these anyway, so i won't expect it from now on anyway.

[chk071]

Some people still use xp on offline systems, so that should tell you having the latest updates aren't necessary.

No, just because someone does something foolish doesn't mean he's right. Noone who has at least some concerns about security will recommend you to go on using Windows XP. Just because some people do doesn't mean that they're right, or won't be facing problems. If there is a major security leak found and exploited, Microsoft won't fix it. Actually the primary reason why that hasn't happened yet is probably because hackers focus on the mass of PC users, which probably will have made the jump to a higher Windows version already. But that doesn't mean you're in any way safe. Actually, i have some experience with that, as my Windows 98 did all kinds of weird things when it reached the end of support life time (actually i don't think i ever updated it tbh).

Anyway, your decision of course. Don't be surprised when future program versions expect the Redstone, Anniversary of whatever updates there will come for Windows 10. I don't know for sure, but i could imagine it, because that's the way it has been for former Windows versions. And especially Windows 10 sees a lot of changes and added features with every major update.