KVR Audio

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:31 pm

zenophilix wrote: Anyway, between Sylenth and Spire, not totally sure which I'd pick. Sylenth seems to have a higher array of sounds it can produce over Spire(That, or I haven't messed around enough with Spire.)

Definitely the latter.

Spire is much more versatile than Sylenth1, more oscillator wave shapes, more synthesis methods, more LFO's, step LFO's, more envelopes, more mod matrix slots, better FX. Also sounds better IMO, but that's subjective. I know, i may sound like a salesman, but just comparing considering they both have the same price tag kind of. IMO, you get a lot more with Spire. And there's a lot more to come even, as the devs have announced a lot of more features and improvements.

zenophilix · Post by **zenophilix** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:33 pm

chk071 wrote:
zenophilix wrote: Anyway, between Sylenth and Spire, not totally sure which I'd pick. Sylenth seems to have a higher array of sounds it can produce over Spire(That, or I haven't messed around enough with Spire.)
Definitely the latter. Spire is much more versatile than Sylenth1, more oscillator wave shapes, more synthesis methods, more LFO's, step LFO's, more envelopes, more mod matrix slots, better FX. Also sounds better IMO, but that's subjective. I know, i may sound like a salesman, but just comparing considering they both have the same price tag kind of. IMO, you get a lot more with Spire. And there's a lot more to come even, as the devs have announced a lot of more features and improvements.

Awesome! Thanks for the input.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:34 pm

I would pick Spire over Sylenth any day.

But under 100 USD, Largo is better than both to me, it has a more "individual character" and it is only 75 USD on the NI sale right now.

Also check u-he Hive.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:35 pm

zenophilix wrote:Absolutely loving Spire. I don't know if I'm completely dyslexic today, but I can't seem to find the arp settings. I'm sure there were some arp presets somewhere in there.

Look bellow second envelope's card, that's bellow filter section.

Be sure to check Spire course.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... NEySiaDQJZ

Anyway, between Sylenth and Spire, not totally sure which I'd pick. Sylenth seems to have a higher array of sounds it can produce over Spire(That, or I haven't messed around enough with Spire.), while Spire has a friendlier/cleaner interface(And of course, that dark theme )

It's the opposite actually, Spire can produce higher array of sounds and yes, interface is ace.

1) Between the two synths, which is more popular/has more presets available? As I said before, a lot of my sounds start with presets.

Sylenth for sure, it's older too, but don't let that fool you, Spire is quite popular in same circles and quality of the banks is just top notch, you can't go wrong in that aspect with him either.

2) Is there a way to change the look/feel of Sylenth? I'm all for the vintage look, but it would be nice to have a cleaner interface available.
Edit:Whoops, just found out that there is an array of Sylenth skins available. Whoops.

Think it is in new beta.

3) Most importantly, which is the more capable synth? Whatever I purchase, I plan to be using for a while, and would like it to be the more versatile of the bunch.

Spire and have feeling it will get more and more updated too like it is all the time, on other hand Sylenth development is pretty much dead and slow, wouldn't expect to become anything more than what it is now in next few years, I really doubt it, it is what it is and it works for many like that, Spire on other hand is growing every day and it does more from the get go, so yeah.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:39 pm

rod_zero wrote:I would pick Spire over Sylenth any day.

But under 100 USD, Largo is better than both to me, it has a more "individual character" and it is only 75 USD on the NI sale right now.

True, for the current price, Largo is pretty much a no-brainer. Spire is the better "EDM" synth though, if that's rather what you're after. Largo doesn't let you do unison on oscillator level, and the supersaw doesn't sound as good as Spire's or Sylenth1's either. It also has some phasing with unison sounds. But then, it does the wavetable stuff, so there's not much of an overlap there anyway.

zenophilix · Post by **zenophilix** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:48 pm

Zexila wrote:
zenophilix wrote:Absolutely loving Spire. I don't know if I'm completely dyslexic today, but I can't seem to find the arp settings. I'm sure there were some arp presets somewhere in there.
Look bellow second envelope's card, that's bellow filter section.

Ah, geez, that's exactly where I was looking for it.

So far, it's looking like Spire is the winner here. I like the idea that it's still improving, considering the quality of sound already present.

Seems like it could be quite good for Dubstep aswell. Can it be had for $100 used?

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:55 pm

zenophilix wrote:Can it be had for $100 used?

Think that's the price for it, chk071 sold one as I now see in feedback thread, open a WTB thread there for sure

zenophilix · Post by **zenophilix** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:00 pm

Zexila wrote:
zenophilix wrote:Can it be had for $100 used?
Think that's the price for it, chk071 sold one as I now see in feedback thread, open a WTB thread there for sure

Phew. I was beginning to wonder if I'd be better off picking up Serum if I'm going to end up paying 189.

rod_zero wrote:I would pick Spire over Sylenth any day.

But under 100 USD, Largo is better than both to me, it has a more "individual character" and it is only 75 USD on the NI sale right now.

Also check u-he Hive.

Interesting, I'll check that out aswell. What exactly sets it apart from S/S to you?

Checked out Hive, liked it, but I'm more partial to Spire and Sylenth.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:02 pm

Zexila wrote:
zenophilix wrote:Can it be had for $100 used?
Think that's the price for it, chk071 sold one as I now see in feedback thread, open a WTB thread there for sure

Actually it was a bit more, but you surely can get it for about 100 € here.

zenophilix · Post by **zenophilix** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:04 pm

chk071 wrote:
Zexila wrote:
zenophilix wrote:Can it be had for $100 used?
Think that's the price for it, chk071 sold one as I now see in feedback thread, open a WTB thread there for sure
Actually it was a bit more, but you surely can get it for about 100 € here.

*USD. I might be able to swing 100€, as it's only 12USD more, but $100 is preferable. Thanks.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:06 pm

Sent you a PM btw, if you want to take a look.

zenophilix · Post by **zenophilix** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:28 am

Digging up this topic once more, still have a few questions.

Zexila wrote: It's the opposite actually, Spire can produce higher array of sounds and yes, interface is ace.

What elements of Spire result in said higher array of sounds? What are some of the key features that set the two apart?

Zexila wrote: Sylenth for sure, it's older too, but don't let that fool you, Spire is quite popular in same circles and quality of the banks is just top notch, you can't go wrong in that aspect with him either.

When you refer to soundbanks, do you mean the paid ones on Reveal's website, or are there good quality free soundbanks aswell?

Zexila wrote: Spire and have feeling it will get more and more updated too like it is all the time, on other hand Sylenth development is pretty much dead and slow, wouldn't expect to become anything more than what it is now in next few years, I really doubt it, it is what it is and it works for many like that, Spire on other hand is growing every day and it does more from the get go, so yeah.

What sort of features have been added/may be added to Spire?

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:24 am

Don't know if it's been said but Computer Music has a bunch of good synths and fx that you can download if you buy an issue. Last I checked there were versions of zebra, dune, synthmaster, alpha and a few more. Just say in...

I also thought the predator player was a good idea as well.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 4:16 am

About Largo vs Sylenth and Spire:

- Wavetables
- Filters with more character
- better modulation options

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Fri Apr 22, 2016 5:05 am

zenophilix wrote: What elements of Spire result in said higher array of sounds? What are some of the key features that set the two apart?

Well, Sylenth is pretty much Spire in classic oscillator mode, everything else is just plus for Spire, PWM, Sync, FM, morphing wavetables and etc, to put it short.

When you refer to soundbanks, do you mean the paid ones on Reveal's website, or are there good quality free soundbanks aswell?

Paid ones, don't know about free ones that much, maybe this one:
http://bedroomproducersblog.com/2015/04 ... -spectrum/

What sort of features have been added/may be added to Spire?

Don't follow Spire development anymore TBH and know very little about the future of it, but if you look at every update, you can see how it's growing update after update.

Semi-Beginner $100 Synth?