Waldorf Largo, PPG Wave 3.V and Waldorf Edition 2 are "NKS ready" now

[Numanoid]

Unfortunately, that will be hard to prove with my second hand copy.

No chance to get the needed documentation from the seller you got it from?

Maybe i should buy a second copy in this sale?

Could be a worthwhile lisence to sit on. Largo will probably never be at this low price again, Waldorf do 30% off sales at the most according to my memory, so to get the money back by selling the license unused later should be a possiblity.

[Numanoid]

Another question: With Largo about 7 years old now, is there a Largo2 in the making?

Or is that Nave?

[masterhiggins]

Alright. I think i will try to contact Waldorf then, and ask if there's a way to "register" Largo.

I've contacted support about it before. There's no way to "register" largo or any of the elicenser-based plugins for Waldorf. When you buy a license you're not given a serial number or account. You're simply given an elicenser authorization code.

However, in the event that your elicenser breaks or your computer takes a dive, you just have to contact support and provide proof of purchase (an invoice or email) and they can resupply you with a replacement code. This was told to me by Holger @ support several months ago.

Unfortunately, that will be hard to prove with my second hand copy. Maybe i should buy a second copy in this sale?

Yeah you're kind of hosed. Sorry.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[chk071]

I wouldn't say Largo is particularly low on CPU. I'd say it takes about as much as Z3TA 2, or Spire. So, not the smallest CPU footprint, but not the biggest either. Somewhere in the middle i guess. Not as low as Tone2 synths, not as high as Diva. It can be quite much though with a high number of voices. Regarding the Blofeld and Largo, there is some overlap, but they're also a bit different. Blofeld doesn't have global unison for example afaik, while Largo does. Largo doesn't have the PPG filters Blofeld has, but Largo has the better effects as far as i read. And you can use the Blofeld to midi control Largo, because obviously they share the same midi CC mappings.

[Ingonator]

I wouldn't say Largo is particularly low on CPU. I'd say it takes about as much as Z3TA 2, or Spire. So, not the smallest CPU footprint, but not the biggest either. Somewhere in the middle i guess. Not as low as Tone2 synths, not as high as Diva. It can be quite much though with a high number of voices.

Actually Largo seems to be quite low on CPU here, especially since the native 64-bit version is available.
Even with full 6 vice Unison and up to 4 layers i did not really have CPU issues at my old Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU (will soon change to an i5 that's alraedy here).

[chk071]

Alright, maybe i still have the older versions in mind, it's some time since i last checked consciously.

[Ingonator]

Alright, maybe i still have the older versions in mind, it's some time since i last checked consciously.

Just did a small test with a pad sound, longer Release, 4 layers and 6 voice Unison in all layers. In Live 9.6.1 64-bit on Windows 10 64-bit and using my old Core 2 Quad Q6600 CPU i could hardly reach 40% at the display in Live. I played 3-4 notes chords with different playing styles (not just holding the notes). With shorter Release times this hardly goes beyond 30%.
With a single Layer and/or with using less Unison voices this could go down to around 10-15%, also depending on how long the Amp envelope Release is (of course with long times the CPU use is higher).

In average use the CPU does not seem to be a real problem, especially with newer CPUs than that i just mentioned, except if you use many instances with 4 layers, lots of Unison voices and long Release playing at the same time.

[VariKusBrainZ]

The factory content in Komplexer sounds way better than Largo, comparing them side by side IMO.
Komplexer's patches really show of its wavetableness.

Also strange that they built Komplexer to import wavetables but Largo doesnt, considering the similarities.

[chk071]

For pure VA sounds, i also think that Komplexer sounds better (though Largo is pretty good in that regard too). It seems to be more made for that kind of sound. Largo sounds better for the wavetable stuff IMO though. More "clear", brilliant, and "high end" (it also has the brilliance control, which attenuates the high frequencies of the oscillators, and lets you choose the behavior in that regard of the Q and microQ synths, according to the manual). It also has loads of wavetables compared to Komplexer's 2.

[BDeep]

Don't forget Largo's excellent comb filters... Yummy

[EnGee]

Alright. I think i will try to contact Waldorf then, and ask if there's a way to "register" Largo.

I've contacted support about it before. There's no way to "register" largo or any of the elicenser-based plugins for Waldorf. When you buy a license you're not given a serial number or account. You're simply given an elicenser authorization code.

However, in the event that your elicenser breaks or your computer takes a dive, you just have to contact support and provide proof of purchase (an invoice or email) and they can resupply you with a replacement code. This was told to me by Holger @ support several months ago.

Unfortunately, that will be hard to prove with my second hand copy. Maybe i should buy a second copy in this sale?

I would sell the current one and save some more then buy Blofeld desktop if I were you. Blofeld not only have the additional PPG filter, but it has much better presets than Largo in both quality and quantity.

As much as I like Waldorf as a company, I dislike the e-licenser protection. I hope Waldorf would do as Arturia, which i didn't buy anything from them till they abandoned e-licenser.

Few years ago, I have no problem at all with e-licenser as I could install all I had (elements 6 at that time with steiny synths) in 3 machines without any problem!

[Ingonator]

Another question: With Largo about 7 years old now, is there a Largo2 in the making?

Or is that Nave?

Waldorf plugins like Largo, Nave and PPG Wave 3.V are all different in terms of sound and features and none is a replacement for the other ones.
Largo is the only Waldorf plugin that includes e.g. a dual multimode filter (serial or parallel and thh Oscs got a filter routing feature/knob), the famous Comb filters, proper Osc FM (FM sources selectable for all 3 OScs), Osc Sync, up to 4 layers and several more features.
Besides the wavetables Largo also includes the "standard" waveforms as anlog models while e.g. PPG wave 3.V always uses wavetables (also for PWM). Nave uses wavetables too for OScs 1+2 while the 3rd Osc includes modelled standard waveforms (with an option for "true" PWM).
Largo also has 2 Sub-Oscs and a dedicated Noise Osc that is independent from the 3 main Oscs and the 2 Sub-Oscs.

Nave offers loading custom wavetables, editing wavetables in the 3D editor and creating wavetables with the text to speech feature. PPG Wave 3.V besides using wavetables could also load samples. works graet as a "Lo-Fi" sampler and usually all sample i load in it sound great. Both my factory presets and my commercial bank for PPG Wave 3.V do contain samples (both my own ones and those from teh included Wavveterm Sample library). As PPG Wave 3.V is 8 part multitimbral and offers setting keyzones (+ others parameters) for each part you could create complex layers and splits with it (or route up to 8 different MIDI tracks to a single instance). In the options you could also se the voices and change the audio outputs to seperate outputs for each part.

Largo 2 or something comparable could be possible in the future but nothing is really known yet. Anyway i am quite sure that Nave should not be the last new synth plugin made by Waldorf.

Also possible that in the future Waldorf will do additional FX plugins besides D-Pole and the Lector Vocoder (BTW Lector was not really updated for a while and it will be maybe time for an update soon).

With the hardware synths also a kind of updated Blofeld or a totally new successor for it could be possible in the future. At the moment seems to focus a bit on the new Eurorack keyboard and modules and new modules seem to be already planned (while most curent ones except the nw1 wavetable module are not officially released yet). The Zarenbourg Piano Module version also does not seem to be fully finished yet.

With software currently the NKS comatibility is teh most important and more updates related to this should follow. Hopefully in the future also NKS presets for the commercial LArgo and PPG Wave 3.V soundsets at the Waldorf Shop will be provided, including my own set for PPG Wave 3.V.
Hopefully in the future

[VariKusBrainZ]

It also has loads of wavetables compared to Komplexer's 2.

Yes but you can import more in Komplexer, youre limited to those provided with Largo

[kiezum]

Can I load the presets from Nave iPad in the Nave vst version?