Do you ever think compressors, suck?

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kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all

Pfft. Nonsense.

A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.

I love using compressors to make things sound different.

If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.

Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.

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Nah.. compressors are great :D
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Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all

Pfft. Nonsense.

A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.

I love using compressors to make things sound different.

If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.

Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
Agreed.
Volume automation doesn't change the balance of frequencies like compression can. compression can definitely change the timbre / characteristics of a sound.

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Robert Randolph wrote:Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
This. At least for the styles I dig.

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Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all

Pfft. Nonsense.

A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.

I love using compressors to make things sound different.

If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.

Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
agree to disagree...

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Never used one

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kvaca wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all

Pfft. Nonsense.

A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.

I love using compressors to make things sound different.

If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.

Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
agree to disagree...
No agreement here, I think you are wrong. :party:

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Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all

Pfft. Nonsense.

A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.

I love using compressors to make things sound different.

If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.

Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
agree to disagree...
No agreement here, I think you are wrong. :party:
no agreement here, too...but Im too old for useless debate with people who seems to prefer that kind of modern dance music I cannot fully enjoy, so I would prefer if it remains as it is :wink:

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kvaca wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all

Pfft. Nonsense.

A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.

I love using compressors to make things sound different.

If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.

Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
agree to disagree...
No agreement here, I think you are wrong. :party:
no agreement here, too...but Im too old for useless debate with people who seems to prefer that kind of modern dance music I cannot fully enjoy, so I would prefer if it remains as it is :wink:
Well I can't stand that dance music either, so we're on the same boat there.

Good ole rock 'n roll for me. (and some metal)

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Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:best compressors are not to be heard at all

Pfft. Nonsense.

A lot of genres rely on compression specific sounds as a defining characteristic of the music. Not hearing the compression would be an absolute disaster for a lot of music.

I love using compressors to make things sound different.

If you're using compression as some sort of stand-in for volume automation, then I can surely see how you'd end up with the impression that a compressor shouldn't be heard, but compressors are so much more than that.

Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
agree to disagree...
No agreement here, I think you are wrong. :party:
no agreement here, too...but Im too old for useless debate with people who seems to prefer that kind of modern dance music I cannot fully enjoy, so I would prefer if it remains as it is :wink:
Well I can't stand that dance music either, so we're on the same boat there.

Good ole rock 'n roll for me. (and some metal)
but I can barely hear any abused compression in good sounding classic rock albums /think the first album of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc.../

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In orchestral and most classical music, you want to preserve as much dynamics as possible, but I'm pretty sure *some* form of compression is applied, as long as it's not subjectively at odds with that goal.
I find the bet use of compression is probably in jazz music.

Disclaimer: I'm not a pro, so, it's just an opinion

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kvaca wrote:but I can barely hear any abused compression in good sounding classic rock albums /think the first album of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc.../
Then perhaps you don't know how the original instruments sounded in the room?

I clearly hear a lot of compression on the drums in that era, and the vocals especially. Very much so on the led zeppelin stuff's drums.

I've spent a lot of time recreating those sounds, and compression is very much a part of it in my experience.

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Robert Randolph wrote:
kvaca wrote:but I can barely hear any abused compression in good sounding classic rock albums /think the first album of Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath etc.../
Then perhaps you don't know how the original instruments sounded in the room?

I clearly hear a lot of compression on the drums in that era, and the vocals especially. Very much so on the led zeppelin stuff's drums.

I've spent a lot of time recreating those sounds, and compression is very much a part of it in my experience.
They would also sidechain gate the drums a bit, adding to the pumping. But I pretty much agree with everyone, learning what you want to do with effects is as much a part of developing your sound as learning your own style of instrumentation is (which of course can vary from song to song)

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Compression is probably the main reason a lot of you folks like the music you like.. without realising it ;)

Led Zep used shiteloads of compression on their drums to get that huge sound for instance..
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