KVR Audio

khanyz · Post by **khanyz** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 6:45 am

I don't usually wade in on stuff like this because facts are usually left behind, in a wake of lingering bad experience and ignorant opinion. However, the Image Line response does seems mixed. So here's my experience and opinion (bad, ignorant and otherwise).

First, what's the problem with monetizing demos? IMO it's OK as long as it's not intrusive, i.e. doesn't hit your PC. Open Candy was bad and I avoid it. However, the new implementation, which can be stopped at the web site, seems fine. Also, not hassling customers with it is a good choice. So all in all, it's an improved situation for both actual and potential customers. If there is an issue with the demo being cracked, then maybe have different builds for the demo and customer versions. It shouldn't be a problem if they have 2 versions on the site already. It's just conditional compilation of the same codebase, with some minor code changes to "null" or limit certain functions. I've done the same thing myself many times.

Anyway, the last point is the real issue. Leaving paying customers with major bugs whilst you work on something new is not OK, IMO. FL Studio Mobile is usable, a lot of the Mac stuff isn't. That, to me, should dictate priorities.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 7:48 am

For years it was clear that IL and foremost FL is Win only, no sign that the dev would deliver for the Mac platform too. Now, if you demo the stuff you can buy for your Mac (and it didn't work properly) why you bought it then?

Imo the decision to try to find a place in the Mac market like IL do isn't wrong in the long run but it seems that it take to much time to settle bugs and as result we are far from what one could acknowledge as a serious attempt, at least for many users.

I remember some IL rep (i think it was Scott) said in the past that no man-power from IL were deducted for the Mac porting stuff now i read that Max is flat out on mobile version and Mac issues so i guess he's not working on anything Win related in the next years, thats sad somehow as i like his work/plugins on Win and hoped for another gem within FL Studio.

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:06 am

murnau wrote:1. Imo the decision to try to find a place in the Mac market like IL do isn't wrong in the long run but it seems that it take to much time to settle bugs and as result we are far from what one could acknowledge as a serious attempt, at least for many users.

2. I remember some IL rep (i think it was Scott) said in the past that no man-power from IL were deducted for the Mac porting stuff now i read that Max is flat out on mobile version and Mac issues so i guess he's not working on anything Win related in the next years, thats sad somehow as i like his work/plugins on Win and hoped for another gem within FL Studio.

1. How long should it take? What was the last Alpha you tried?

Here's what testers have said about 0.8e ...

http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.p ... 8#p1036458

"Damnnnn...The latest update is really close. I know there are a few more bugs to get rid of, but this thing is on point. Big up's and ratings team."

"SWEETNESS!! Finally feeling solid

"

"The Alpha is great it's so close! Still a few bugs here and there such as the background turning black when you hide the playlist or sequencer etc. but other than that it's looking good. Will we see a beta by summertime?"

"Great work! A lot of the problems that were happening before with me are now fixed but there is a big problem for me and I can't seem to figure it out. ... I am trying to open an FLP that I previously made and it says "An error occurred while reading the FLP file"

2. Focus shifted to OS X development after the feature set for FL Studio 12.3 was finalised. We did this because we are about to go to Beta and need to complete a bunch of details. On what basis do you come up with 'years' for further Windows dev? It will delay some parts of FL Studio development months, not years. Actually, this is a moot point anyway, the codebase is unified and windows/OS X development of program features is the same thing. We have also hardly been slacking on FL Studio development. Here's what we have done since 12.0 (excluding bugfixes). I know some of our competitors would have called a fraction of this list a whole new version and charged customers for it:

12.3 Additions and changes:

Channels are shown more prominently in the Add menu
Incremental scrolling in playlist, piano roll and event editor
Added macro to set all audio clips to RT stretching mode
Playlist: ctrl+left click toggles solo
Playlist: place recorded audio clips in first (visible) empty track
Added shortcut to unsolo and unmute all tracks (ctrl + key above tab)
Added "midi channel through" option
Improvements to IL Remote feedback (also enabled by default)
Added option to control remembering previous state when using solo
Solo mode is auto-detected again
Real-time audio stretching
Lock channels to midi device (for note input)
Options for keyboard style in piano roll
Continuous scrolling in event editors
Plugin Manager and "More plugins" window GUI updated
Vector GUI for Sytrus, Fruity Limiter, Fruity Love Philter, Gross Beat, Maximus
Added Transient Processor plugin
Per-note event selector moved to editor at bottom of piano roll
Open and save dialogs are now more modern
Added "Project tempo" option to time wheel popup
Drag FL window from empty area of toolbar
IL Remote controller feedback
Channel rack: mute button shift+click changed to alt+click
Channel rack: resizeable channel buttons
Channel rack: option to sort channels
Mixer: re-arranged some controls for "current" track in wide modes
Rearranged Add menu contents
Wrapper: Presonus extensions for VST2 (high-dpi support, param context menus)
Wrapper: IK Multimedia plugins no longer default to using fixed size buffers

12.2 Additions and changes:

Vectorized UI for DrumSynth Live and X-Y Controller
Type to piano scripts updated
Fruity Delay Bank: right-click to solo a bank (instead of popup menu)

12.1.6 (26/11/2015) Additions and changes:

FLAC file export
Ogg files are now loaded without the vorbis acm codec
Added direct menu items to change color and icon of channels, patterns and plugins
Implemented Presonus "high-dpi" notification support for VST 2 and 3 plugins
Renamed "Flat display" option in plugin menu to "Simple list"
Manage Plugins menu item moved from Tools to Options menu
Replaced "Jap" in score preset names with "Japanese"
Added 3 Harmor template presets
Vectorized UI for multiple plugins

12.1.2 (12/08/2015) Additions and changes:

New and improved Video Player plugin
Update main window caption when project title is edited
Launchpad MK2 support
Shortcut for stretch on/off in playlist is now Shift+M instead of Shift+S

12.1.1 (31/07/2015) Additions and changes:

Notes over 120 (10th octave) now do various actions in live mode
Removed Steinway Grand instrument
Added new instruments: Close Grand and Stage Grand
Renamed "flat database" to "alphabetical"
Added FL executables that are scaled by Windows

12.1.0 (16/07/2015) Additions and changes:

FLAC import support
VFX Key Splitter plugin
Fruity X-Y-Z Controller plugin
Added "More plugins" window back
Launchpad Pro support
4 high quality FPC drum kits
Steinway piano preset for DW
Show random (fairly recent) news item
Periodically show different news item
Changed various defaults
Update reminder window
Mixer track assignments for channels in the channel rack
Full colorization of mixer tracks (and other visual enhancements)
Option to delete steps instead of muting them
Re-implemented sample history in channel settings window
Ctrl+S saves project even when mixer has focus
Now uses modern version of open and save windows
Plugin Scanner is now called "Plugin Manager"
Plugin Manager: new plugin info tab

12.0.2 (12/05/2015) Additions:

Wrapper: new option to determine what bit size to load for a plugin
FL Studio ASIO: added "clip" option

12.0.1 (21/04/2015) Additions:

Plugin scanner combines presets for separate versions of a plugin
FL Studio ASIO driver

Regards Scott

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:24 am

Some ratings and info of DAWs from 2015. We are just 4 months into 2016 so...

http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/ ... day-238905 FLS = no 1

http://www.producerspot.com/top-best-da ... c-software FLS = no 2

https://ask.audio/articles/the-top-11-m ... -voted-for FLS = no 4

I can't really see anything backing up the comment that FLS should be at the bottom

But it is clear I think that a number of people are pissed at IL and I am sure a number of those individuals love to trash FLS in every thread possible. I am also sure there is a reason to why a number of people are pissed and especially Mac owners. And I do agree that IL should address that. I also had (one in particular) bad experiences but my solution is just to avoid buying anything from them again, instead of ranting in KVR about it as soon as I got a chance. Perhaps other customers of that company are happy and had a much better experience than I had

nickamandote · Post by **nickamandote** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:31 am

FL Studio is very good. It can be used to make any music genre, stop saying it's for EDM only.

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:41 am

nickamandote wrote:FL Studio is very good. And it can be used to make any music genre, stop saying it's for EDM only.

Not true. Fl Studio would be the last choice for any genre that makes regular use of time signatures not in straight 4/4.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:46 am

robotmonkey wrote:
nickamandote wrote:FL Studio is very good. And it can be used to make any music genre, stop saying it's for EDM only.
Not true. Fl Studio would be the last choice for any genre that makes regular use of time signatures not in straight 4/4.

Really? So all the jazz tunes I am making can't really be made with FLStudio?? So that must make me a f**king genius since I managed to do it

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:01 am

ATN69 wrote: Really? So all the jazz tunes I am making can't really be made with FLStudio?? So that must make me a f**king genius since I managed to do it

Well, I did not say you could not do it. But it absolutely sucks compared to most other DAWs for anything else besides 4/4. Sucks to the point I would switch to any other DAW instead for this.

ATN69 · Post by **ATN69** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:07 am

robotmonkey wrote:
ATN69 wrote: Really? So all the jazz tunes I am making can't really be made with FLStudio?? So that must make me a f**king genius since I managed to do it
Well, I did not say you could not do it. But it absolutely sucks compared to most other DAWs for anything else besides 4/4. Sucks to the point I would switch to any other DAW instead for this.

I get your point but I don't really agree. If you know your DAW and know your stuff you can do any kind of music. If you put Ableton in front of me and ask me to do Jazz music then I will fail. Because I don't know Ableton. But from what I heard it's a great DAW and I just have to blame myself.

xNiMiNx · Post by **xNiMiNx** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:34 pm

Image-Line wrote:once 64 bit windows only comes out

Just to be clear, we still have yet to see a 64 bit only windows release, 10 has both x86 and x64. No change in your point above, but yeah... still no x64 only windows release.

TheNickC · Post by **TheNickC** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:37 pm

robotmonkey wrote:
ATN69 wrote: Really? So all the jazz tunes I am making can't really be made with FLStudio?? So that must make me a f**king genius since I managed to do it
Well, I did not say you could not do it. But it absolutely sucks compared to most other DAWs for anything else besides 4/4. Sucks to the point I would switch to any other DAW instead for this.

Takes 2 seconds to change the time signature under the project settings, what are you talking about? Multiple time signatures in one project sure, it's not ideal for that, but simply making something that isn't in 4/4? What?

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:57 pm

since when is any music in 4/4 automatically EDM?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:09 pm

xNiMiNx wrote:
Image-Line wrote:once 64 bit windows only comes out
Just to be clear, we still have yet to see a 64 bit only windows release, 10 has both x86 and x64. No change in your point above, but yeah... still no x64 only windows release.

I doubt we will ever see a 64 Bit only Windows release. Legacy support is a big part of what Windows is all about.

Regards Scott

Robert Randolph · Post by **Robert Randolph** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:49 pm

Image-Line wrote:
xNiMiNx wrote:
Image-Line wrote:once 64 bit windows only comes out
Just to be clear, we still have yet to see a 64 bit only windows release, 10 has both x86 and x64. No change in your point above, but yeah... still no x64 only windows release.
I doubt we will ever see a 64 Bit only Windows release. Legacy support is a big part of what Windows is all about.

Regards Scott

Is 64-bit OS X a target now, or soon?

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 12:13 am

Robert Randolph wrote:
Image-Line wrote:
xNiMiNx wrote:
Image-Line wrote:once 64 bit windows only comes out
Just to be clear, we still have yet to see a 64 bit only windows release, 10 has both x86 and x64. No change in your point above, but yeah... still no x64 only windows release.
I doubt we will ever see a 64 Bit only Windows release. Legacy support is a big part of what Windows is all about.

Regards Scott
Is 64-bit OS X a target now, or soon?

Yes it's a target. ASAP. That means we are working on it, no ETA.

Regards Scott

Image-Line's New "Monetizing" Scheme for FL Studio