KVR Audio

kvaca · Post by **kvaca** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:31 am

jens wrote:
kvaca wrote: agree to disagree...
Maybe, but you are clearly by far in the minority with this and your individual opinion is not really relevant. You are certainly entitled to it, just don't go around and tell everyone who loves the audible effect certain compressors have, he's totally wrong - or do it and be prepared to receive an appropriate reply.

no prob, as you can see I already got exactly the reply I have expected...and correct, it was my individual minority opinion

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:33 am

kvaca wrote:the reason for me is always quality of music itself, not a quality /or amount/ of compression....

You cannot separate the two. You can't hear a song you like with all the compression removed can you? How do you know the 'quality' is not simply the pleasing effect of well done compression? I would wager that a huge amount of modern dance music/pop would sound like nothing without compression. Compression is fantastic for making up for a lack of ideas.

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:34 am

jens wrote:
Robert Randolph wrote:
Compressors are an effect. They affect things. They do cool stuff, and cooler stuff when you really drive them. Compressors are awesome.
This!

What's next? delays are teh Evil?

Way to go spoiling the suprise, delays are the root of all evil!

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:37 am

do_androids_dream wrote:Compression is fantastic for making up for a lack of ideas.

No it isn't, unless by ideas you mean how to set up a volume automation envelope

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:40 am

jens wrote:
kvaca wrote: agree to disagree...
Maybe, but you are clearly by far in the minority with this and your individual opinion is not really relevant. You are certainly entitled to it, just don't go around and tell everyone who loves the audible effect certain compressors have, he's totally wrong - or do it and be prepared to receive an appropriate reply.

Are you sure? How can you guarantee any said audible quality is directly related to volume automation? Does someone's opinion of compression even matter if they have 5 more effects after it?

kvaca · Post by **kvaca** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 7:42 am

do_androids_dream wrote:
kvaca wrote:the reason for me is always quality of music itself, not a quality /or amount/ of compression....
You cannot separate the two. You can't hear a song you like with all the compression removed can you?

yes I can, same as you can...if not you got a big problem

/to see hint look at my post nr.939/

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:31 am

camsr wrote:
Are you sure?

Yes.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:38 am

kvaca wrote:
do_androids_dream wrote:
kvaca wrote:the reason for me is always quality of music itself, not a quality /or amount/ of compression....
You cannot separate the two. You can't hear a song you like with all the compression removed can you?
yes I can, same as you can...if not you got a big problem
/to see hint look at my post nr.939/

So you hear a song on the radio.. that's what I was referring to

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:40 am

camsr wrote:
do_androids_dream wrote:Compression is fantastic for making up for a lack of ideas.
No it isn't, unless by ideas you mean how to set up a volume automation envelope

How do you explain thousands of 'EDM' trash tracks being so popular? It's all down to the excitement generated by compression techniques. Take that compression away and they will all sound like crap softsynth demos lol

camsr · Post by **camsr** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 8:47 am

do_androids_dream wrote: How do you explain thousands of 'EDM' trash tracks being so popular? It's all down to the excitement generated by compression techniques. Take that compression away and they will all sound like crap softsynth demos lol

This kind of stuff is usually volume automation, the kind not sensitive to input level. Why? Because it's easier to duck 4/4 melodies that way. The kick drum is where the compression is, duh!

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:09 am

But the magic of compressors is elsewhere than mere volume automation...

you couldn't mimick the beloved sound of a (say) 1176 or LA2A with volume automation - not at all.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:14 am

camsr wrote:
do_androids_dream wrote: How do you explain thousands of 'EDM' trash tracks being so popular? It's all down to the excitement generated by compression techniques. Take that compression away and they will all sound like crap softsynth demos lol
This kind of stuff is usually volume automation, the kind not sensitive to input level. Why? Because it's easier to duck 4/4 melodies that way. The kick drum is where the compression is, duh!

Hmm.. I think you heavily underestimate what compression does and where it is on most modern productions ie. all over it - probably on almost every track then running into busses where more compression is taking place. Some mixes I was doing last year (of top style 40 commercial pop) had compressors everywhere - maybe 30 - 40 comps doing their thing within the whole mix. Take them all away and it will sound like what it is - throwaway pop. Put them back and it sounds like really exciting throwaway pop lol

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:17 am

Btw - I'm not exactly what you would call a compression 'fan'. I just fully recognise their role within an average mix. I use them all the time on a daily basis to turn lacklustre audio into big exciting audio.

There are many folks I love who hardly use compression - and I deeply admire anyone who can mix largely without it and still produce very exciting, great mixes. Steve Albini and Infected Mushroom being 2 great examples.

pilgrim_heart · Post by **pilgrim_heart** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:29 am

camsr wrote:
do_androids_dream wrote: How do you explain thousands of 'EDM' trash tracks being so popular? It's all down to the excitement generated by compression techniques. Take that compression away and they will all sound like crap softsynth demos lol
This kind of stuff is usually volume automation, the kind not sensitive to input level. Why? Because it's easier to duck 4/4 melodies that way. The kick drum is where the compression is, duh!

And of course you can also put that directly into the pattern by "ducking" the first one or two 16ths in each beat using the velocity or cutoff or whatever works for you. The old Covenant stuff (up to Europa or so) seems to use that kind of thing a lot (might be on the newer stuff as well but I'm not that familiar with their output beyond Europa).

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:34 am

double post - keep hitting quote instead of f**king edit lol

Do you ever think compressors, suck?