Anyone notice the DAW affects the type of music you create?
- KVRAF
- 2918 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC
I agree with this idea- you should go to a particular DAW to get particular results. This has little to do with the DAW and everything to do with you and your workflow.
I have seen orchestrations come from Ableton and loopy dance tracks come from Cubase.
If the DAW starts to dictate the outcome it might require that you spend more time learning the ins and outs of that DAW to slow or prevent that...because that can never be a good thing. Learning new things about your DAW "can" inspire you. Trust me...Ableton can be inspiring and driving, full of continuity and push forward (as you called it).
I have seen orchestrations come from Ableton and loopy dance tracks come from Cubase.
If the DAW starts to dictate the outcome it might require that you spend more time learning the ins and outs of that DAW to slow or prevent that...because that can never be a good thing. Learning new things about your DAW "can" inspire you. Trust me...Ableton can be inspiring and driving, full of continuity and push forward (as you called it).
- KVRAF
- 4787 posts since 2 Sep, 2005 from city of lights (nl)
I guess you could say both have a similar workflow, but I still get a completely different "feel" from working with one or the other, and that might influence what comes out.Zexila wrote:But still, it's not that much different workflow over Live, point of his thread is how DAW workflow influences outcome, at least his and than he goes about his Live workflow, so what will FL change there when it's so similar overall...core wrote:For one, I find MIDI editing in FL Studio much easier & comprehensive.Zexila wrote:So very similar workflow like Live, which makes me wonder what OP is gaining with it (FL) over it (Live).inkwarp wrote:yes it is. but it's own version of an arrangement view, the "playlist" is going from strength to strength in recent versions. it also now has a 'performance ' mode which you can trigger clips in various ways. i am still trying to get across it, but seems very good.Zexila wrote:
Isn't FL pattern based too?
the other thing worth mentioning also, you can run FL as a plugin ( as well as rewire) so i am increasingly using it inside ableton and reaper. : )
In my case it doesn't really. I come up with the same kind of tracks in FL Studio as I do in Live, except I get things done in FL Studio much faster. Heck, if I check back on older stuff it seems I'm still doing the same kind of tunes I did back when I was using Cakewalk Pro Audio
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Guess that's the thing here with OP too, which is all that matters even if on paper they are kinda similar.core wrote:I guess you could say both have a similar workflow, but I still get a completely different "feel" from working with one or the other, and that might influence what comes out.
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- 2033 posts since 19 Jun, 2011 from a world of Black Thunder chocs
DAWs are just different tools which offer different workflows for the same challenge of music making.Kinh wrote: Have you noticed the music you create and especially songs sound different depending on what DAW you use? Or am I just going crazy?
(Im contemplating taking the FL route now they've killed the bugs.)
You can still make the same / any type of music within them.
The DAW does not maketh the man, nor his music.
I don't want to discourage you from getting a new DAW if you feel that's best for you in terms of workflow.
However, you're real issue might be less about a DAW design and more about feeling you need to compare your own music to others, as also mentioned in the opening post.
- KVRAF
- 25635 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I find the midi editing a bit clumsy in Live compared to some other DAW's I've used. The way this affected me when I switched to Live was it made me spend less time editing midi, and more time playing parts and re-recording if I was not happy with it. The end result was better playing skills on my part and more 'human' music (ironic given the 'loop' based reputation of Live)
Live and now also Bitwig are my favorites. I like how much one can do without interrupting audio playback. I will create some sort of quick on the fly looping groove (maybe complex) as a framework and then play realtime stuff on top of that... then remove or mostly remove the framework. It is so fast to try stuff that way that I would say the Session view (Launcher in Bitwig) has made me be more experimental and spontaneous which I'm happy with. I find my results more pleasing when I spend less time thinking about it beforehand.
Live and now also Bitwig are my favorites. I like how much one can do without interrupting audio playback. I will create some sort of quick on the fly looping groove (maybe complex) as a framework and then play realtime stuff on top of that... then remove or mostly remove the framework. It is so fast to try stuff that way that I would say the Session view (Launcher in Bitwig) has made me be more experimental and spontaneous which I'm happy with. I find my results more pleasing when I spend less time thinking about it beforehand.
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- Topic Starter
- 1780 posts since 26 Aug, 2012
I probably should clarify. Im not so much talking about workflow in terms of 'speed' (although some could say it's related) what Im referring to is linear vs non-linear. Although the workflow my be similar in FL and I think you can launch clips now, it's still a linear DAW. Ableton is not in the sense that its arrangement view sucks. I cant work in arrangement view in Ableton. It takes too long, everything is too small and fidgety. I think Ableton was originally designed to work in session view anyway.
When composition is a process of layering elements onto a loop and your brain becomes conditioned to that process of hearing repetition does that affect the 'type' of material your brain creates ie.. establishes an 'expectation' to follow a certain pattern especially as far as melody is concerned? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Yes, I understand you go with Ableton cause you wanna make loop based music but when you think about it, its all loop based these days anyway, what's different is how it's created.
When composition is a process of layering elements onto a loop and your brain becomes conditioned to that process of hearing repetition does that affect the 'type' of material your brain creates ie.. establishes an 'expectation' to follow a certain pattern especially as far as melody is concerned? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Yes, I understand you go with Ableton cause you wanna make loop based music but when you think about it, its all loop based these days anyway, what's different is how it's created.
- KVRAF
- 4879 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
^^^That is similar to why I switched from Ableton to MuLab (after demoing various others). But trust your own taste!
Each DAW is a unique musical instrument, designed to prioritize some musical qualities over others and make producing them easier. Music is too vast for one DAW to be equally good at everything.
I also "believe" its best to find a DAW that gives you joy, and learn how to use its limitations to your advantage!
Each DAW is a unique musical instrument, designed to prioritize some musical qualities over others and make producing them easier. Music is too vast for one DAW to be equally good at everything.
I also "believe" its best to find a DAW that gives you joy, and learn how to use its limitations to your advantage!
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- KVRAF
- 25635 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Lots of people using Live are not loop based and plenty of users mainly work in Arrangement. Live is simple, straightforward and easy to use. Instrument racks and Drum racks are a marvel. There is no easier DAW to layer stuff in.Kinh wrote:I probably should clarify. Im not so much talking about workflow in terms of 'speed' (although some could say it's related) what Im referring to is linear vs non-linear. Although the workflow my be similar in FL and I think you can launch clips now, it's still a linear DAW. Ableton is not in the sense that its arrangement view sucks. I cant work in arrangement view in Ableton. It takes too long, everything is too small and fidgety. I think Ableton was originally designed to work in session view anyway.
When composition is a process of layering elements onto a loop and your brain becomes conditioned to that process of hearing repetition does that affect the 'type' of material your brain creates ie.. establishes an 'expectation' to follow a certain pattern especially as far as melody is concerned? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
Yes, I understand you go with Ableton cause you wanna make loop based music but when you think about it, its all loop based these days anyway, what's different is how it's created.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Sorry, but than Live is linear too, if your only merit is arrangement viewKinh wrote:Although the workflow my be similar in FL and I think you can launch clips now, it's still a linear DAW.
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- KVRist
- 123 posts since 23 Jun, 2015
I'm glad you're not in that boat too... I don't get along with Sonar, for example. Doesn't mean that it isn't a perfect fit for other people. Some people like fixed-track architecture and inflexible plugin usage... others find that limiting. Also it takes a while for new DAWs/cars to start revealing their quirks and foibles to otherwise proud new owners... I like that Reaper allows us to bypass those with scripts.keyman_sam wrote:I'm sure it does. There's hardly anything Reaper can't do. The point is its all using scripts, macros and endless customizations into nowhere. I'm just so glad I'm not in that boat.Groundhog #31684 wrote:Reaper has a retrospective record feature now. It's a script you can get here...
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=168855
Load it, run it, hide the track it automatically creates and save that as your default template. Job done.
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- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
Interesting statement because in the past, when hardware ruled, the hardware would (especially drum machines) have a very dictatorial role in music making.Numanoid wrote:If the DAW "dictates" which music is made, it seems the user didn't know from the start what music s/he wanted to make
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do_androids_dream do_androids_dream https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=164034
- KVRAF
- 2908 posts since 26 Oct, 2007 from Kent, UK
Reaper is a mess.. but a beautiful messkeyman_sam wrote:I'm sure it does. There's hardly anything Reaper can't do. The point is its all using scripts, macros and endless customizations into nowhere. I'm just so glad I'm not in that boat.
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- Topic Starter
- 1780 posts since 26 Aug, 2012
But that doesn't even make sense. Why would I not know what music I wanted to make?Numanoid wrote:I think a user should select the DAW best geared toward the music that user want to make, not the other way around.Kinh wrote:Have you noticed the music you create and especially songs sound different depending on what DAW you use? Or am I just going crazy?
If the DAW "dictates" which music is made, it seems the user didn't know from the start what music s/he wanted to make
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Seriously? I usually know which music i want to make, or the sounds i create inspire me to do the music i make. The DAW really hasn't much to do with it. As i wrote earlier, if it does, you're doing something wrong.Kinh wrote:But that doesn't even make sense. Why would I not know what music I wanted to make?Numanoid wrote:I think a user should select the DAW best geared toward the music that user want to make, not the other way around.Kinh wrote:Have you noticed the music you create and especially songs sound different depending on what DAW you use? Or am I just going crazy?
If the DAW "dictates" which music is made, it seems the user didn't know from the start what music s/he wanted to make
- KVRAF
- 4879 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
The instrument you use influences your music, and a DAW with its synths,fx, sequencers etc is an instrument. (Technically its an electrophone in the standard Hornbostel-Sachs musical instrument classification system.)
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