Waldorf Largo, PPG Wave 3.V and Waldorf Edition 2 are "NKS ready" now

[Ingonator]

But we already had that in the other thread. They need to update the description on their website. I run the 64-bit version of Largo on Windows here. Trust me. For Mac, it's also 64-bit. Since years i think.

Hey, I'm old. I don't remember old threads. LOL.

Okay, I'll take your word for it. Thing sounds amazing. Those filters. Wow.

64-bit updates were available since 2014. Also VST3 and AAX plugins (both 32-bit and 64-bit) were added back then. Plugins like Largo, Nave, PPG Wave 3.V and Waldorf Edition 2 support formats like VST2, VST3, AU and AAX, all as 32-bit and/or native 64-bit.

While this is no plugin format the official NKS Presets support is another step towards compatibility.

[wagtunes]

Well, just to make sure, I got an evaluation license from Waldorf and downloaded it. Works fine. Sounds great.

One problem.

Can't read the GUI. Too small. No way to resize it.

Another amazing sounding synth that I can't use because of outdated GUI sizes. I can't even count how many this makes.

Very discouraging.

Oh well, I tried.

[chk071]

Did you try the screen magnifying options of Windows? May sound silly, but if you have problems with most softsynth GUI's, it might be of help.

[wagtunes]

Did you try the screen magnifying options of Windows? May sound silly, but if you have problems with most softsynth GUI's, it might be of help.

I've tried it and it's a pain in the ass. I don't want to have to use extra steps just to be able to read my synth. Plus, the magnify has no control. It makes an area real big. So you have to scroll around the VST to see whatever part it is you want to use. Like I said, a real pain in the ass. Why should I have to go through that just to use a synth? I have plenty of synths that work just fine as they are. And it's a shame because Nave's GUI is excellent.

[EnGee]

I don't think there is a problem in the size of the GUI! It's the same as in Massive and most other synths I have. Yes, it would be nice if it has an option to be bigger, but I never read complaints about Largo's size before today!

[wagtunes]

I don't think there is a problem in the size of the GUI! It's the same as in Massive and most other synths I have. Yes, it would be nice if it has an option to be bigger, but I never read complaints about Largo's size before today!

Ah, thank you. You're right. I actually measured Largo vs Massive's GUI and Largo's is actually a little bigger.

Aha!

So then what's the problem? I had to dig into this to see why it is that I have so much trouble reading Largo's GUI

And I figured it out.

It's the fonts and colors or mores specifically, the contrast between the two.

Massive has light fonts on dark backgrounds or dark fonts on light backgrounds (depending on which part of the VST you're looking at) and the fonts themselves, especially in key areas, are slightly thicker and or larger.

Also, the separations between sections are clearer in Massive.

But I think the biggest difference is the predominately gray background of Massive vs the multi shade backgrounds (ranging from white to light silver to dark silver or maybe gray, hard to tell) of Largo.

In short, Massive's interface is just easier to look at because of the font and color contrast. I can't explain it any more clearly than that. Yes, the sizes are about the same but Massive is just infinitely easier on my 58 year old eyes.

[Acid Mitch]

Why not wear glasses or use a different screen resolution ?

[wagtunes]

Why not wear glasses or use a different screen resolution ?

Okay...

1) I do wear glasses. Been wearing glasses since I was 10, thank you.

2) This is the only screen resolution I can use. Smaller and Cubase doesn't fit on the screen. Larger and I won't be able to read anything at all.

[chk071]

So then what's the problem? I had to dig into this to see why it is that I have so much trouble reading Largo's GUI

And I figured it out.

It's the fonts and colors or mores specifically, the contrast between the two.

I figured so. I sometimes have a bit of a problem reading stuff with too small contrast, especially when it's bright on bright. Largo seems ok to me though, but, of course, that probably varies from user to user.

[wagtunes]

So then what's the problem? I had to dig into this to see why it is that I have so much trouble reading Largo's GUI

And I figured it out.

It's the fonts and colors or mores specifically, the contrast between the two.

I figured so. I sometimes have a bit of a problem reading stuff with too small contrast, especially when it's bright on bright. Largo seems ok to me though, but, of course, that probably varies from user to user.

And the frustrating thing is, it's not the worst I've ever seen. It's almost usable. But some sections are just too hard to read. Others, not as bad. And probably with tons of use, I'd just know where everything was instinctively and it would no longer be a problem. But learning my way around this thing now is just not fun. And I have too many synths to care enough to force myself to work with it.

Shame, because this thing really sounds great. With a more readable GUI, it would definitely be in my top 10.

[EnGee]

I believe that an additional monitor will solve your font problems. Actually, a cheap 32" TV with HD resolution (1366x768) will do nicely for the fonts but not the colours. Anyway, there is nothing wrong with the fonts of Largo with my 27" monitor and I believe the majority of users feel the same. Sorry, but your monitor and sight problems are personal about Largo's fonts.

Anyway, the sale is over by now I think

[plexuss]

In my work in user interface design, we use various Accessibility Guidelines. These guidelines specify specific contrast specifications for on-screen usability to account for disabled users, including corrective eyesight. The guidelines are typically mandatory with public projects such as websites etc. There is no reason why a plugin dev shouldn't also use these guidelines in their UI designs. Maybe one day....

[chk071]

Actually, yes, a larger display will probably help. Not sure if that's an option though, or if wagtunes uses a laptop.

[chk071]

In my work in user interface design, we use various Accessibility Guidelines. These guidelines specify specific contrast specifications for on-screen usability to account for disabled users, including corrective eyesight. The guidelines are typically mandatory with public projects such as websites etc. There is no reason why a plugin dev shouldn't also use these guidelines in their UI designs. Maybe one day....

Good stuff. I really wonder sometimes when seeing the GUI's of some software. Sometimes appears to me that either the creators have no idea how to do a GUI, never heard of common guidelines, which should be really clear, on how to make a GUI accessible, or don't want to spend time making their GUI's accessible. Not that i'd think that is the problem in this case though, i find the GUI of Largo quite nice. The only little thing i could criticize is maybe a tiny bit of lack of contrast, but not much really.

[wagtunes]

I believe that an additional monitor will solve your font problems. Actually, a cheap 32" TV with HD resolution (1366x768) will do nicely for the fonts but not the colours. Anyway, there is nothing wrong with the fonts of Largo with my 27" monitor and I believe the majority of users feel the same. Sorry, but your monitor and sight problems are personal about Largo's fonts.

Anyway, the sale is over by now I think

Of course it's personal. I'm not making a blanket statement that's going to apply to everybody. I'm simply stating why I won't be buying it.