Output Movement: Rhythm FX

[Numanoid]

but they also might not have the demo tech ready.

So how is Movement authorized? Often products are running in demo mode until serial is entered

[woodsdenis]

but they also might not have the demo tech ready.

So how is Movement authorized? Often products are running in demo mode until serial is entered

You download it via Connect Continua with a serial number, I assume this is unique for each sale ? It operates the same as their sample libraries. Connect is very common for sample libraries and they probably think it is OK for plugins too,The problem I see in this is that you can surrender a serial to NI for a sample library, how you do this for an independent plugin IDK

[Sound Author]

Well, I have no desire to "run the developer into the ground", but I see no reason to keep quiet about what I've experienced so far after using Movement for the last two days. It feels very buggy. Doesn't play nice with Ableton for some reason. Very CPU intensive, to the point of crashing...often. The majority of comments on this thread have been about everything but the actual plugin itself. Is there anybody out there who's actually using Movement? I'm not having a very good go with it. Anyone else having a similar experience?

[woodsdenis]

Well, I have no desire to "run the developer into the ground", but I see no reason to keep quiet about what I've experienced so far after using Movement for the last two days. It feels very buggy. Doesn't play nice with Ableton for some reason. Very CPU intensive, to the point of crashing...often. The majority of comments on this thread have been about everything but the actual plugin itself. Is there anybody out there who's actually using Movement? I'm not having a very good go with it. Anyone else having a similar experience?

I am using it see specs below, as I said before problem with automating bypass in Cubase, contacted support and they are on it with a fix they say. Have you contacted them they are very responsive? If you have all the fx on it can be CPU intensive , have you used the lo CPU mode ?(the little squiggle, bottom left)

[Sound Author]

...have you used the lo CPU mode ?(the little squiggle, bottom left)

Just tried it. Makes not one bit of difference. Well, that's not exactly true. I do believe "Low CPU Mode" takes up exactly one more percent CPU

[Doug1978]

So quite why KTlin, and other KVR members, want to spend several posts over several pages criticizing a company for offering this alternative refund policy is crazy.
Not least because KTlin has stated as nauseum that he doesn't like the plugin and doesn't have any intention of buying it in the first place!!
...

What are you talking about?
Did you see my first post on this thread?

It seems to be an awesome plugin. Too bad there's no demo.

Your posts on page 2 spell out clearly what you think of this plug in.
Funny how you forgot to include those in your quotes above.

I see you still have no answer to my question about ultimate differences between demo vs full refunds.
Why start out by (unprovokedly) mocking me if you don't even know how to answer my reply?
Are you for real?

So where is this "KTlin has stated as nauseum that he doesn't like the plugin and doesn't have any intention of buying it in the first place" coming from?

It's bullshit.
And it's typical whinging KVR members gobbing off.

Again with the "typical KVR" stuff? It's the 3rd time you used that. We got it! KVR is typically nasty and full of "bullshit", and with horrible people writing "rubbishing remarks" and criticizing the plugins for no particular reason and "moaning for the sake of doing so" and they just like to "run the developers into the ground at every opportunity".
I think you need to relax.

Maybe you think Kvr is full of nasty / horrible people? I never mentioned those words.
Tbh, in my 9 years of posting here (first as OldDoug1978), I haven't encountered many.

But there are a fair few moaners like yourself, who appear several times throughout threads just to repeat how much they're not going to buy something! @-@!!

Seriously, if you don't intend to buy the plug in - according to your own posts on page 2 - then why are you worried about a demo or otherwise?!

And yes I am reasonably relaxed thanks.
I just think you need to stop picking arguments (which you then duck) and contradicting yourself.

[Kalamata Kid]

Movement looks interesting enough to me but I am wondering if there are
other VST fx that are similar.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

So quite why KTlin, and other KVR members, want to spend several posts over several pages criticizing a company for offering this alternative refund policy is crazy.

Not really crazy.

Nothing wrong with stating a preference towards a demo

[Doug1978]

No, and I've stated in this thread that I prefer demos to having no demos myself.

But it is crazy to criticize this company for not offering a demo, when they at least offer a full refund policy!

What's the actual difference in terms of cost and time, ultimately?
(Literally) a couple of quid via Paypal, as someone earlier suggested...
It might even be argued that there is an advantage to having this guaranteed refund policy to test out a plugin fully, rather than suffering with the feature limited demos which some developers offer.


If there was neither a demo nor any full refund policy, then the mob might have a point.
But they don't.


Anyway, enough of this peripheral demo / full refund argument.

Has anyone on this thread actually bought and used the plugin, prior to all this criticism?
I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to hear from them instead of people who have ruled themselves out of buying it.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

What's the actual difference in terms of cost and time, ultimately?
(Literally) a couple of quid via Paypal, as someone earlier suggested...
It might even be argued that there is an advantage to having this guaranteed refund policy to test out a plugin fully, rather than suffering with the feature limited demos which some developers offer

A couple of quid might not seem much to you, but it can be for some. The bigger issue is that 'small' amount of money represents paying to demo. The company doesn't have to bother with maintaining a demo, and we pay for the pleasure (assuming we would seek a refund). I don't think we should be singing the praises of a full refund, in lieu of a demo, when it should really be a given.

I literally don't have enough money in my account to buy this, so that means I don't get to demo it at all. No loss, I guess, except that a demo that had certain restrictions other than time limitations could allow the plug to slowly get under my skin. Then I would eventually 'have' to buy it.

I have already made it clear that I don't have any real issues with demo limitations, except the obnoxious sound-burst variety, and I don't think I am alone in this regard. I have the feeling that at some point the company will change this policy, but maybe they think they have something worthy enough that people will be a bit more forgiving. Either way, there are so many companies that are happy to cater to these norms of the industry

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Has anyone on this thread actually bought and used the plugin, prior to all this criticism?[/b][/u]
I don't know about you, but I'd prefer to hear from them instead of people who have ruled themselves out of buying it.

Why haven't you just bought it? I mean , if there was a demo, you'd already be playing with it, no?

[Doug1978]

^^ I appreciate your counter-argument (which is a lot more balanced than some of the othersposts on this thread).

However, I disagree with the notion that demos should be a 'given'.
Companies don't owe potential customers anything.
Do you have any right to expect a demo?
Equally, companies will live or die by their sales decisions and the quality of their products.

Tbh I doubt the company will change its policy - it has a fair few products out now, and appears to be doing 'well enough' at the moment.
Never say never though?
Perhaps you can email them directly and ask for a demo?


In response to your question- no, I haven't bought it yet and I probably won't.
I have more than enough 'movement' FX already, such as Molekular, to keep me occupied atm.
I'm trying to spend more time learning the effects which I currently have, rather than demoing (or buying/full refunding) countless other ones.

By counter-logic, you must have a mega collection of demos ticking away on your computer el-bo. Clearly you need to demo EVERYTHING before you even consider buying it?
How on earth do you find the time for testing out every new plugin on the market with a demo? Please tell me!

Start saving those pennies

[Boardwalk]

"To all extents and purposes that is a demo."

"In response to your question- no, I haven't bought it yet and I probably won't."

Pffftt.. big spender

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

However, I disagree with the notion that demos should be a 'given'

I said that if they aren't going to offer a demo (and there are understandable reasons why not) then it would be a given to offer a refund policy. They have obviously weighed up the pros and cons and gone in favour of the refund option.
Maybe you and others disagree, but I think that customers demoing without buying doesn't look as bad as customers buying, then demanding their money back

Companies don't owe potential customers anything.

Of course not, but in this financial crisis, and with so many alternative (and cheaper) options, I'd find it hard to believe any company doggedly holding onto the idea that "If we build it they will come". A company is nothing without sales, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see how many people jump in

Do you have any right to expect a demo?

It's not a right, but it's common enough to be regarded as standard practice.

In response to your question- no, I haven't bought it yet and I probably won't...I have more than enough 'movement' FX already, such as Molekular, to keep me occupied atm.
I'm trying to spend more time learning the effects which I currently have, rather than demoing (or buying/full refunding) countless other ones

Yet you are asking others what they think. Given how little hassle you seem to think it is to buy/refund, why not just try it? Are you telling me that if there was a demo available you would not touch it?

By counter-logic, you must have a mega collection of demos ticking away on your computer el-bo. Clearly you need to demo EVERYTHING before you even consider buying it?

That's not logical. I don't need to demo loads of plugs because I need to get an inkling of something special before bothering. It just happens that these types of things are normally up my alley, but I ain't gonna pay even 2 quid to demo it

You think this is going to be fine for most people, and you may be right. However, you are also probably aware of how much criticism Audio Damage get for this same practice, despite having a reputation for sticking to their word with regard to the refunds.

[Doug1978]

We're now going round in circles el-bo, so to cut to the chase:

The company doesn't do demos. You want them? Contact Output, you might get them.

In the absence of a demo, I think it's reasonably good that the company offers full refunds. Some companies don't even do that.
Clearly, that offering is not enough for many people on this thread.

And if you're so worried about losing literally a couple of quid via PP, then how on earth can you justify contemplating buying the plugin in the first place??
If I was struggling to raise funds, there'd be plenty more important things to think about first than yet another FX software program.


Yes, I imagine quite a few people here would just love to have a fully working demo that they could use at their leisure (or could install/reinstall it if there was a limited time period).
But a fair percentage of them wouldn't ever then buy the software, would they?

At least with this company's method, there's some commitment towards paying (and yes, I appreciate that some people will want refunds but the company probably get more sales this way than with endless unlimited demos).
Certainly, Output seem to believe in their business model, non?


Even without a demo, you and I are not blind to what this plugin does and how it operates are we?
Output have provided a fair bit of info, there are quite a few videos available online and a number of reviews too. That's how I assessed that I probably don't need this plugin - is that really too hard to understand?
And yes - even if there was a demo for the current version available now, I probably wouldn't use it for the sensible reason I put in the above post.


Perhaps some glowing KVR member reviews will come in during the next few months? Perhaps some exciting updates will occur?
I might be tempted then to buy it. Let's see...


It's tough titties that some people can't afford this plugin at the moment.
Save up, sell something, go on the game if you really want it that badly.

As put above, it would be nice to hear more from people who have actually bought and used the plugin.
Then I might be tempted to buy it.

I expect you and I will continue to disagree el-bo.
C'est la vie...