Music you loved but makes you shudder now.

[recursive one]

How else do you explain metal to tiesto to "whatever doesn't have distorted guitar"

Are you referring to me? Well, it was very simple. I was listeining to metal and some occasional hard-rock and blues from 14 till 22 years, played guitar (I was able to play some Metallica and Iron Maiden solos back in the days). One of these days I suddenly realized that I can stand it no more and I went to a music store to buy some other music - I had no idea what exactly but I wanted it to be as guitar-free as possible. They played some trance in the store, iirc it was some Paul Oakenfold or maybe Paul van Dyk - someone of these Pauls - and suddenly I felt that this is what I need. That's how the trance era begun. Now I can't stand both metal and most trance, but I'm still hooked on electronic music - these days mostly psytrance (it is very different thing to regular trance, not much similarity besides the name), breaks, ambient and the like.

[Aloysius]

When you get really ''mature'', you'll dismiss this little phase and turn into an Elevator Music junkie.

[recursive one]

Not all elevator music is the same. My elevator looks like that



And the sonic background therein sounds like hard techno or sometimes (when its engine goes bad) like japanoise

[e@rs]

I almost bought the first Scooter release, just goes to show how starved I was for sounds and how difficult it was to get hold of electronic music releases where I lived at that time

Had I found them second hand now though, I think I would buy Hyper Hyper for a trip down memory lane

I love early Scooter albums. Lots of great trax there.

[Robmobius]

Hmm... Definitely Iron Maiden.

Man you'll get muted for such blasphemy.

He's going through "that phase"

The one where he dismisses everything he used to like and then when he gets to about.....40.....he'll realize it's fine to like all of it again. How else do you explain metal to tiesto to "whatever doesn't have distorted guitar"

Nah... I just don't like cheesy metal - Spandex, high vox, large large studded wristbands, 9 minute guitar solos, and lyrics mostly about ghosts and goblins. I forgive myself tho', as I was only about 11.

I'm more of an 80's hardcore guy...

[Mushy Mushy]

Nah... I just don't like cheesy metal - Spandex, high vox, large large studded wristbands, 9 minute guitar solos, and lyrics mostly about ghosts and goblins. I forgive myself tho', as I was only about 11.

That reminds me, I absolutely loved Poison

[Robmobius]

Nah... I just don't like cheesy metal - Spandex, high vox, large large studded wristbands, 9 minute guitar solos, and lyrics mostly about ghosts and goblins. I forgive myself tho', as I was only about 11.

That reminds me, I absolutely loved Poison

Don't feel too bad, I actually liked Cinderella.

[xoxos]

time for another run-on dire ear mouth post

in the early 90's my "dj friend" had all of these singles by "aphex twin" that were remarkable because they offered electronic tones without all the silly, pretentious song structure you got with all the other electronic music in the day...

it was like.. one day someone popped a cassette in.. they'd recorded the entire cassette side of a single drum machine bar running through massive guitar distortion.. same thing for half an hour of massive tone and precise machine rhythm.. it was quite striking at the time no silly breakdowns or weak transitions, just a pure, amazing slab of meat "we deliver"

i think we all kinda knew that those minimalist aphex twin tunes weren't quite as good as we liked to make out they were, at the time it was a refreshing experience, but not very interesting past the contrast to other music. "omg i counted 24 measures but *still no break*!!! this is crazy, the tension is amazing!!! who is this genius??!!" (windowlicker is genius)

but in retrospect, this was the beginning of the end imo.. like.. mid 90's i heard aux88 "electro/techno" which at the time i would have compared to latin/miami bass.. pure electro, interesting, articulated and renewing enough to be engaging..

but by the mid-late 90's these "instrumental" electronic genres sort of gave permission to a new generation to make *really boring music*

people started thinking that anything with a rhythm and some different tonal parts contituted an engaging experience.. on the music making forums back then, people were constantly saying, "listen to my new track!" which would have a beat, three pitched parts, and maybe a couple of fills, end of story...

...but no, dudes.. the *reason* why people listened to electronic music in the 1980's was because of the message. the social indignation, the sense that our culture was institutional and mechanistic and authoritarian beyond sensibility and benevolence..

..the revolting cocks could put out a double album of mainly "instrumental" sounding music because it was, by reference, industrialism.. but when "electronic music afficionados" of the 1990's started producing their own "instrumental" tracks inspired by industrial music or some kind of music with "step" in the name, it was always bloody boring.. boring boring boring.. it's just an exercise in making product..

..tailspin that forward a couple more generations and no one has a bloody clue any more, it's myriad different flavours of bore you to death (except trap, trap got it right because *bullshit*).

so this post is "music that makes you shudder now" is "music i was polite about back when i listened to peoples tracks on the internet" - it's not enough to have a drum track and a bassline and some techno sequences and be five minutes long.. it's like watching a movie that's just splashes of colour.. there needs to be some *driving* memetic content, ***unless you're really really adept at splashes of colour***

this is why all the novices "hate their tracks" becuase they're accustomed to a "market" (alleged, nonexistant market) of people making recordings that are just vacuous time fillers... there's no ideology, no thought, no consideration.. no drive, no impetus.. no thing.. it's empty content.

i've watched folks now spend ten, fifteen, twenty years producing in this genre of meaningless time fillers.. for what??! what is the meaning? you can bump the beat in your car or house and someone will say... ooh, that rhythm is especially hip? are you dancing?? most people aren't, it's just production slabs of sequences.

if you want your music to be engaging, it needs some context, some relation to human experience, most of us don't have enough lsd to make any content immediately engaging. you can't plop in a few movie samples and manufacture intellectual engagement, it needs real thought, real consideration, real context to human affairs, otherwise you're just selling yourself an empty life.

[Aloysius]

[do_androids_dream]

time for another run-on dire ear mouth post

in the early 90's my "dj friend" had all of these singles by "aphex twin" that were remarkable because they offered electronic tones without all the silly, pretentious song structure you got with all the other electronic music in the day...

it was like.. one day someone popped a cassette in.. they'd recorded the entire cassette side of a single drum machine bar running through massive guitar distortion.. same thing for half an hour of massive tone and precise machine rhythm.. it was quite striking at the time no silly breakdowns or weak transitions, just a pure, amazing slab of meat "we deliver"

i think we all kinda knew that those minimalist aphex twin tunes weren't quite as good as we liked to make out they were, at the time it was a refreshing experience, but not very interesting past the contrast to other music. "omg i counted 24 measures but *still no break*!!! this is crazy, the tension is amazing!!! who is this genius??!!" (windowlicker is genius)

Hmmmmmm.. I find Aphex to be very conventional and 'pop' in song structure in general (especially so, post '96 ish). Maybe some of the early work was more repetition based.. I regard him more as a piss taker than a real artist with anything of actual value to say musically. Most of his work is tongue in cheek imitation and parody when you really analyse it and learn a bit about the guy himself. And not just taking the piss out of the music - out of the audience too.

Btw Xoxos - I very much liked and am largely in agreeance with everything in your post.

[annode]

Nah... I just don't like cheesy metal - Spandex, high vox, large large studded wristbands, 9 minute guitar solos, and lyrics mostly about ghosts and goblins. I forgive myself tho', as I was only about 11.

That reminds me, I absolutely loved Poison

Don't feel too bad, I actually liked Cinderella.

Poison, Cinderella...now your in my city in 1983, Philadelphia Pennsylvania.
I had no interest in that crap fortunately.I was already 28 and into 'new wave'/punk/synth-pop.
I did happen to see one of them in a neighborhood club by chance, but don't know which band it was.

[waltercruz]

U2. Dave Matthews Band.

[Numanoid]

That reminds me, I absolutely loved Poison

In '86 I bought Erasure, while my friends bought Bon Jovi, and they pestered me about my taste in music

I feel vindicated now

[Robmobius]

Nah... I just don't like cheesy metal - Spandex, high vox, large large studded wristbands, 9 minute guitar solos, and lyrics mostly about ghosts and goblins. I forgive myself tho', as I was only about 11.

That reminds me, I absolutely loved Poison

Don't feel too bad, I actually liked Cinderella.

Poison, Cinderella...now your in my city in 1983, Philadelphia Pennsylvania.
I had no interest in that crap fortunately.I was already 28 and into 'new wave'/punk/synth-pop.
I did happen to see one of them in a neighborhood club by chance, but don't know which band it was.

I was a young man when those kinda' bands were out. The only old metal that I still listen to now is Motorhead (I freakin' love them). Although, I have a lot of respect for bands like AC/DC, Black Sabath, etc. Iron Maiden's first vocalist was a lot better. But I've nevr really been into guitar solos at all, but I appreciate their skills.

At 15 someone played me Suicidal Tendencies (first album) and Never Mind the Bollocks. That was me sold on Punk and Hardcore. But punk stuff became very soft in the end (English Stuff). There was a movement essentially started by the Exploited/GBH (and a few others). It was a FU to the Punk scence for being commercial and verging on pop. That's the stuff I listen to now UK82 Punk, and some 80's HC.

But I love some synth stuff too, especially stuff like, Pink Turns Blue, Red Lorry Yellow Lorry, etc. and soundtrack stuff too.

I'm still a big DnB 90's fan (Darkside). But it's an abysmal scene now imo.