KVR Audio

nineofkings · Post by **nineofkings** » Wed May 18, 2016 5:04 pm

I've been waiting to upgrade from 4... This could be the tipping point

rasmusklump · Post by **rasmusklump** » Wed May 18, 2016 5:37 pm

Is it still the case, that adding a plugin with 1 sample latency ads a whole soundcard buffer latency in reaper ?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed May 18, 2016 5:44 pm

Yes, that's how PDC works in Reaper.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed May 18, 2016 5:46 pm

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EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed May 18, 2016 5:54 pm

You mean delaying metering as well? Unfortunately, no. And yes, I find that a bit annoying, especially when working with compressors - so I try to use as few PDC-inducing plugins as possible.

I thought you hated Reaper

LGK_Dude · Post by **LGK_Dude** » Wed May 18, 2016 6:27 pm

Wait so let me get this straight. I'd I use any UAD plugin in reaper (all cause latency) visually reaper does not adjust for plugin delay compensation, so everything visually will show before I hear it?

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed May 18, 2016 6:44 pm

That seems to be the case.

Or this might be because of anticipative processing (this is showing the metering within the plugin EARLY). But if you use UAD, you'd need to have anticipative processing disabled anyways, so in that particular scenario you actually might be fine. Not sure, don't have/use UAD...

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed May 18, 2016 6:54 pm

You can use anticipative processing with the newer UAD-2 style interfaces. And yes it does suffer from the audio lagging the display. At least the way I have it set up. Maybe there is a way to alleviate that. But, it seems it would mean some other work around/limitation.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Wed May 18, 2016 7:00 pm

OK I've just checked it. Had 512 samples of PDC on one track. Metering within the plugin seemed fine and matched up with the sound (used TDL Kotelnikov GE compressor on a bass track that has Thermionik 5 and Recabinet 5, both of which introduce 8 samples of latency because of their oversampling algo) when I disabled anticipative processing. When I enabled anticipative processing, then metering was EARLY. Which kind of makes sense because Reaper has to send the audio data to the plugin ahead of time, in order to maximize CPU efficiency...

Win some (CPU efficiency), lose some (visual response).

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu May 19, 2016 12:10 am

I read Chapter 14 and tried using the Score editor. It is great and very well done

Really very impressed with the good work being done

It needs some getting used to though! At first I thought it is just a viewer! But, after reading Ch 14 and taking my time with it, I found most everything there (at my beginner - intermediate level!). The resizing of the notes is really smart

just like midi notes in the piano roll. Very smart indeed.

The only drawback is changing the notes lengths and other editing is not intuitive like in other programs (Notion or Cubase Full for example). I mean it needs shortcuts/toolbar for fast editing. I know there are some modifier keys combination with the mouse clicking, but it still slow and cumbersome somehow.

Overall, it is a great addition that put many other DAWs to shame (I won't name them though

) and it is a free update

I'm looking for some future shortcuts (easy ones, like Num 0..9 for different note lengths, ... etc) in the future. If there is a 'focus' button for example, that would make such shortcuts possible. Anyway, I don't think it is difficult. The most important part is the score editor is amazingly rich in musical notations. Well done Cockos

RockinMillie · Post by **RockinMillie** » Thu May 19, 2016 10:53 am

EvilDragon wrote:When I enabled anticipative processing, then metering was EARLY. Which kind of makes sense because Reaper has to send the audio data to the plugin ahead of time, in order to maximize CPU efficiency...

Win some (CPU efficiency), lose some (visual response).

Absolutely

Everything has a cost. There is no free lunch in software / computer performance.

zappsunzorn · Post by **zappsunzorn** » Thu May 19, 2016 3:32 pm

EnGee wrote:
The only drawback is changing the notes lengths and other editing is not intuitive like in other programs (Notion or Cubase Full for example). I mean it needs shortcuts/toolbar for fast editing. I know there are some modifier keys combination with the mouse clicking, but it still slow and cumbersome somehow.

There are many actions that you can assign to keys, or even change the mouse modifiers. All the actions in the midi editor should work with the new notation editor, but may are not assigned to a key by default, not to mention using a Midi keyboard to type in the notes (probably the quickest way). You can also make your own custom toolbar with those actions, or custom actions (multiple actions performed one after another set up to act as one action). You can have custom actions perform those actions under the mouse cursor like regular tools, or modes, in other daws.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:46 pm

zappsunzorn wrote:
EnGee wrote:
The only drawback is changing the notes lengths and other editing is not intuitive like in other programs (Notion or Cubase Full for example). I mean it needs shortcuts/toolbar for fast editing. I know there are some modifier keys combination with the mouse clicking, but it still slow and cumbersome somehow.

There are many actions that you can assign to keys, or even change the mouse modifiers. All the actions in the midi editor should work with the new notation editor, but may are not assigned to a key by default, not to mention using a Midi keyboard to type in the notes (probably the quickest way). You can also make your own custom toolbar with those actions, or custom actions (multiple actions performed one after another set up to act as one action). You can have custom actions perform those actions under the mouse cursor like regular tools, or modes, in other daws.

Yes I can assign the actions to shortcuts or to icons in the toolbar, but most of the easy shortcuts are taken and that make it a very tiring task. If there is a special mode, so we can assign the same shortcuts for the keyboard as the one we mainly use, but I don't think this is possible because the score editor is tied to the general midi editor. Thanks anyway, I'll see what I can do.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Sun May 22, 2016 1:52 am

Robert Randolph wrote:The number of frequent bugfixes in Reaper constantly make me wonder what other people's definitions of 'stable' are.

Reaper is also the most stable daw in the linux market.

Bugs hatch during rapid deployment, but are rapidly exterminated.
Many are found by users pushing the envelopes of new features.
Thus are phantoms to basic users like me, who never use a bounty of features,
but who trust and enjoy the gibraltar of digital audio workstions, for
the basics.

Cheers

pc999 · Post by **pc999** » Sun May 22, 2016 9:13 pm

glokraw wrote: Reaper is also the most stable daw in the linux market.

Reaper is not supported on Linux, and I can barelly launch it on wine, you may need some voodoo hacks to get it rolling.

On the other hand Bitwig works flawless, Tracktion works well too (but I have only tried its features), if somone want linux I wouldnt recomend reaper.

Reaper 5.2: Notation Editor Added