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Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 9:57 am

I'll have to ask, though you might be able to ask Angus about it directly on his forum.

iDavid · Post by **iDavid** » Sat Aug 07, 2004 10:06 am

will do

Angus_FX · Post by **Angus_FX** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:31 pm

Hey E & others,

I personally don't know of any such kit pieces besides that Paiste hi hat. Bitcrusher may be able to enlighten us some more on that, though. As far as big-name associations (same make & model, not necessarily the same drum) with the BFD kit pieces go:-

- there's the Ludwig Blue Sparkle kit, used by Ringo Starr.

- the Lucite kit (on original BFD) and tambourine mounted hi hat (XFL) used by Bonham

- the Tama bronze snare used by Dave Grohl on Nevermind (we think it may be the same actual drum, but this is unconfirmed)

- the Chad Smith snare on XFL

Steve aka Bitcrusher will be able to tell you about various others.

BTW, we have certainly not ruled out the possibility of BFD being able to load other libraries (SID and DKFH) in future... BFD is unarguably the most capable engine, and backed up by people (SKoT_FX in particular) with the skills to keep it far ahead of the pack, but each library has its own different & distinctive sound, and every engineer has their own tastes.

Our only concern there, really, is acoustic space compatibility... place a snare from DKFHS on a BFD kit, and it won't sound completely real - the ambient mic signatures and room decay are quite different, and with current technology it's not possible to "undo" that (deconvolution-convolution doesn't work well enough).

electro · Post by **electro** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:33 pm

Angus, do the XFL kits use the same mic configuration as the original BFD content?

Angus_FX · Post by **Angus_FX** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 2:38 pm

Yes, they more-or-less do. I believe Steve used a different outside mic for the kick in a couple of cases, but for the direct mics that's not really a problem. The rooms, overheads and PZMs, and the rest of the directs, were the same mics, with the same placement, as the original BFD session.

Jaeson Merrill · Post by **Jaeson Merrill** » Sun Aug 08, 2004 6:55 pm

it would ROCK if there was a way to load SID or DFHS, then i would definetly consider buying them as well.

the main issue i have with both is the engine. I dont want to use kontakt, halion or giga for it, and i dont want to use DFHS' engine.

BFD just has so many options, so many possibilities, and is SOOOO nice performance wise.

there should be a way

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 2:53 am

Agreed, the ability to load other banks would be highly appreciated even if the convolution doesn't line up quite right.

Thanks for all the info on the kits, Angus! Have you thought about updating your site's demos at all? I know that Jason Toney from Sonic loves using BFD with his V-Drums & would be more than happy to help you with that.

bitcrusher · Post by **bitcrusher** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 4:14 am

Some pieces in XFL (and BFD factory content) might be owned by famous drummers, and/or used on classic records, but I don't believe in using anyones name for promotion if I have not spoken to them about that side of things....

With that said I'm in contact with some of the biggest-name drummers (thanks to friends and BFD) and there are a few very big names I'm excited about willing to do BFD libraries. More on that later I'm sure

Best
Steve

Angus_FX · Post by **Angus_FX** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:50 am

Funny you should mention updated demos, E - MM_FX is working on some right now, and we are awaiting delivery of a Clavia ddrum4 to get some more live action going

iDavid · Post by **iDavid** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 9:48 am

Could someone discuss the different keyboard layouts of SID vs BFD. I was going through the Scarbee's site and it had a few things I really liked.

Having different sounding hits at similar velocities, so that the drumming patterns sound varied....

Controlling different drums with the mod-wheel. I believe snare, kicks, and high hats...

I have BFD, but am not able to "play" with it for a few days. SO, I want to have a varying sounding snare hits, at similar velocities, how is this addressed?

Emoshag · Post by **Emoshag** » Mon Aug 09, 2004 8:16 pm

Steve,

Give Dave Witte a call. Hes in Discordance Axis and Burnt by the Sun.

He uses a Trick kit. Very distinct toms. Primarily for fast, heavy music (ala grindcore), but still great sounding.

Cory

Ranthar · Post by **Ranthar** » Tue Aug 10, 2004 7:43 am

Thank you peeps for all the input...

After much thought I ordered BFD. Should have it tomorrow....cant wait to start goofing....too bad my pos soundcard that I just got in doesnt work....

Scarbee vs BFD