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kylie · Post by **kylie** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:39 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
kylie wrote:seems like it has a price tag that reads "around 85EUR" ...
That's absurd, it should have come with that from the start.

just wait for it to either be finally included in your S1Pro license (unlikely) or to be part of another holideal.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:41 pm

kylie wrote:
aMUSEd wrote:
kylie wrote:seems like it has a price tag that reads "around 85EUR" ...
That's absurd, it should have come with that from the start.
just wait for it to either be finally included in your S1Pro license (unlikely) or to be part of another holideal.

+1 I would bet on it being included in Studio 1 Pro 4

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Fri May 20, 2016 10:47 pm

You would think they would want to give the editor away for free to encourage content developers to jump on board.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Fri May 20, 2016 11:03 pm

85€ for this? Laughable. Sorry, if thats the new way of "In-Daw Purchases" i'm happy to support smaller devs without that crap. It's not like S1 costed only a few bucks in the past. Imagine you bought the expensive Pro edition of a DAW and half of it is not that pro you might thought.

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Fri May 20, 2016 11:09 pm

murnau wrote:85€ for this? Laughable. Sorry, if thats the new way of "In-Daw Purchases" i'm happy to support smaller devs without that crap. It's not like S1 costed only a few bucks in the past. Imagine you bought the expensive Pro edition of a DAW and half of it is not that pro you might thought.

So what you are saying is that you are not gonna buy it then?

beatmangler443 · Post by **beatmangler443** » Sat May 21, 2016 1:44 am

Don't buy it maybe?

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Sat May 21, 2016 2:02 am

billcarroll wrote:You would think they would want to give the editor away for free to encourage content developers to jump on board.

Agreed. It's in everyone's interest to promote the usage of Presence XT. There's a few ways I'd encourage Presonus to do that:

1. Sell Presence XT as a standalone instrument in the most popular formats (VST2, VST3, AU, AAX)
2. Open the edit page to everyone
3. Encourage developers and users to create content for the sampler

I'm not a fan of the Kontakt UI/workflow, so an easier to use alternative that had comparable scripting and UI options to Kontakt would be appealing, but it couldn't be locked into my DAW. No big whoop though...I'll just keep buying Kontakt libraries until there's a real alternative. From a basic playback perspective, Kontakt's pretty darn amazing as is.

beatmangler443 · Post by **beatmangler443** » Sat May 21, 2016 2:51 am

billcarroll wrote:You would think they would want to give the editor away for free to encourage content developers to jump on board.

No people just want it for free period.

TEKing66 · Post by **TEKing66** » Sat May 21, 2016 4:24 am

I have plenty of synths, and I hardly ever load up Presence XT anymore, maybe the grand piano now and again, but not for much more than that. But I truly do love S1, and yes it is my main DAW, been with them since version 1. Loyal to S1 because I like the way it works, and I haven't found anything else that works better for me!

But, I gotta say, I too really do think this editor "function" should have been built into Presence XT (at least for S1Pro) from the get go, not as an additional paid option. This does and will deter potential sound designers (especially those on a budget). And the lack of the editing features in Presence XT is the main reason I quite using it sometime ago. So, for me Presence XT has been nothing more than a sample playback device that I hardly even touch anymore. I used the original Presence way more than I have even thought about Presence XT. When I read the email talking about the Editor I was like "Yea, finally" , then I went and checked into it. Gotta say, the price tag on it sealed the deal for me!!

Anyway, since I hardly use Presence XT, I really can't see me handing over the money they are asking for the additional functionality. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like they are kinda gouging the customer on this one.

Sorry Presonus, but I will be skipping this one!

Just my two cents!

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat May 21, 2016 7:55 am

TEKing66 wrote: But, I gotta say, I too really do think this editor "function" should have been built into Presence XT (at least for S1Pro) from the get go, not as an additional paid option. This does and will deter potential sound designers (especially those on a budget). And the lack of the editing features in Presence XT is the main reason I quite using it sometime ago. So, for me Presence XT has been nothing more than a sample playback device that I hardly even touch anymore. I used the original Presence way more than I have even thought about Presence XT. When I read the email talking about the Editor I was like "Yea, finally" , then I went and checked into it. Gotta say, the price tag on it sealed the deal for me!!

Yeah I agree, for me the issue is this; Presence XT as a sample player is irrelevant to me as I didn't like the samples it came with anyway and deleted almost all of them to save space. If it was possible to make my own instruments with it it would see more use as having a built in sampler in a DAW is useful sometimes rather than having to load something like Kontakt or Falcon, but I don't feel motivated enough to shell out £65 for it given that I do have them, and I suspect that would be the case for a lot of people so this is ill judged. I may reconsider if they have a half price sale or something.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat May 21, 2016 9:31 am

green with envy wrote: Amazing these haters still haven't been banned. Probably don't even own S1. Plain nuts.

I was going to answer your point but this last comment is both incorrect and inexcusable flaming. Learn to deal with the fact that different people have different opinions.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat May 21, 2016 2:01 pm

I'll fall in the middle of the various strong opinions.

1. Presence probably should have basic single layer sample loading and editing like Sample One built in for free. I agree with that.

2. If you also wanted the other stuff, then buy the extension. Like somebody here said, no daw sampler does all that for free so not sure why anyone expects it for free, it's not common to get that for free in a stock sampler anywhere afaict.

But that's how it always goes with their add-ons, when they put out something new a certain percentage of people always say it should be free. The same thing happened with the channel strip collection.

Anyone making any money at all with the app won't blink at the $70, if they need it. Anyone not making money with it probably shouldn't be spending $4-5-600 for music software anyway.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Sat May 21, 2016 2:10 pm

LawrenceF wrote:But that's how it always goes with their add-ons, when they put out something new a certain percentage of people always say it should be free. The same thing happened with the channel strip collection.

We've got it all for free from puremix.

qtheerearranger · Post by **qtheerearranger** » Sat May 21, 2016 2:44 pm

Is there even a demo on presence XT editor though?

Is there any cross compatibility between user made instruments produced in kontakt and presence xt editor? (ease of porting?)

Does the presence XT scripted allow any sort of GUI modding? I assume no, but I haven't delved too deep.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Sat May 21, 2016 2:54 pm

qtheerearranger wrote:Is there even a demo on presence XT editor though?

Afaik, there are no demos of anything that's an extension add-on.

Is there any cross compatibility between user made instruments produced in kontakt and presence xt editor? (ease of porting?)

Kontakt 4.x and previous instruments yes. NI changed the format after that so Kontakt 5.x programs aren't compatible with S1 afaik. They collaborated with Bitwig on one format so there's some compatibility there.

The export format is *.soundx which may be a open format that anyone can support, it's xml. Afaict, not having tried all of the supported formats, Bitwig is the only one I saw so far that can go both ways, import and export from either to either. No clue if Kontakt or Halion or Mach 5 support any of those format for importing.

Does the presence XT scripted allow any sort of GUI modding? I assume no, but I haven't delved too deep.

There are 16 GUI controls that you can do anything with, the controls in the center section, but you can't create custom graphical UI's like I suppose Kontakt does, afaik anyway.

Looking at a Kontakt script tutorial, the functions, it seems they followed that scripting model pretty closely, but used a different language. But Kontakt is a beast so... it would be unreasonable to expect that anywhere.

It's certainly not Kontakt, but it's a reasonably good approximation of it in a host.

Presonus Updates Studio One and New Presence XT Editor