Can anyone tell me why I should spend $99 for a Geist 2 upgrade?

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machinesworking wrote:
I know you're trying to be cute here, but I think FXpansion have consistently dropped the ball with their upgrade pricing. At some point in the future some huge discount sale will happen and Geist 2 will literally be cheaper to buy outright than to upgrade from Geist 1. That's exactly what happened to me with GURU to Geist upgrade paths, a few months later it was offered for new users at $75 instead of $99.

In my opinion existing users should be treated better than new customers, not be called terrorists even in jest, and certainly not ever offered a more expensive pricing than new users. I'm not trying to dog on FXpansion here, just pointing out that as an existing customer, someone who has helped keep the lights on, end users of that ilk are not trolls or any other sort of nonsense term, they're the people that can get you new shoes, period.

You blithely shrug off a question about introductory pricing and I use other developers. You explain why you aren't offering or politely decline the request and it's another story.

Personally I'm confused as to why Geist isn't integrating into hardware more? The two biggest competitors for AKAI type drum machines are Push 2 and Maschine, tightly controlled by MIDI hardware. I'm interested, but only slightly because of this lack of hardware support.
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Re prices:
If you buy at the start, you can almost always expect at some point it will be cheaper. What you get for that extra outlay, is use and knowledge of that instrument before everyone else.
Ive seen lots of stuff I get early get cheaper; I thought this was normal....?

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"Can anyone tell me why I should spend $99 for a Geist 2 upgrade ?"

OK,I will...

You should spend $99 for the Geist 2 upgrade because it would help out the boys at FXpansion...

It would put some cash in their pockets and they could buy lunch and a few beers at the local pub :wink:
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digitalboytn wrote:"Can anyone tell me why I should spend $99 for a Geist 2 upgrade ?"

OK,I will...

You should spend $99 for the Geist 2 upgrade because it would help out the boys at FXpansion...

It would put some cash in their pockets and they could buy lunch and a few beers at the local pub :wink:
If that is the reason.. then just paypal me $99. I'll put the cash in my pockets and buy lunch and a few giant cookies. :ud:

I bought Geist v1 boxed for $50 in Spring 2014 at musicians friend. The pricing does drop (considerably) but only after having been on the market quite a long time. I'll wait.. judging from the bugginess of the GUI, it might be smart just for that.. waiting for them to iron out the creases..

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chili beans wrote: Is there a way to set it globally? I only can do it per pad.
Yes the trans mod can be applied globally to pads.

Just select a few pads with ctrl & it applies the modulation to those selected pads

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Thanks a lot everyone for their thoughts/ideas/recommendations on Geist 2 upgrade.

Much appreciated.

I must admit I'm feeling a lot warmer now than last week :)
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ere2learn wrote:I'm guessing no,its just that they didn't answer realizm01 over the weekend so that's the line he's taking.

Why would FXP not want to have geist fully working in all daws
Exactly....why wouldn't they? That's a good question, isn't it? Well, here's why, straight from the horse's mouth's forum...

FXpansion's official response about the missing Spitter plugin/functionality here:

https://www.fxpansion.com/forum/viewtop ... 2&start=15 (https://www.fxpansion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=7581796&sid=1e4cbf48ad03baabe376e59106920fc2&start=15)

In a nutshell According to FXpansion, the only two major DAWs that do NOT support routing audio to VSTi inputs are Logic and Studio One (If you look in the forum link, other DAW owners, like Magix Samplitude, also do not support this, and Cubase owners are asking FXpansion how to do it, because they don't know how...again).

They suggested that Logic and Studio One users just lobby Apple and Presonus to get them to 'catch up' with their competition.

Sucks for Logic and Studio one users. That Spitter plugin was a big part of my workflow. I'll just have to continue using Geist1.

I still feel taken advantage of. But this is my fault for buying software without demoing it first. Learned my lesson big time.

So now my advice is simply don't buy Geist2 if Logic and Studio One are the DAWs that you use.

FXpansion would rather put that development time of making the spitter plugin into other features of Geist2, and leave us to go bug the DAW developers just so we can get the full functionality of Geist2 in our DAW.

Of course, they don't mention that Studio One and Logic are not fully supported anywhere on their website accept the forums. You won't find them ADVERTISING that information on the main plugin page.
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In all fairness the Spitter plug-in was made to address a shortcoming of the DAW not the plug-in. But I do agree that it would have been good to know that they may not support it in the future before making the purchase. Especially since a lot of users did use it.

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Hope something is figured out for those daws,because the auto sampling to pads is brilliant in Geist2

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ere2learn wrote:Hope something is figured out for those daws,because the auto sampling to pads is brilliant in Geist2
Well, first FXpansion said they were "looking into it, but won't promise anything."

Then they proceeded to list DAWs that do support the feature, and said that only two DAWs don't, Studio One and Logic. But other DAW owners have piped up. FXpansion didn't name ALL the major DAWs, like MOTU DP or Orion Studio, or FL Studio. So at this point I'm not even sure FXpansion knows how many DAW users they're alienating.

Point is, given FXpansion's answer in the forums, I don't expect they'll be actually doing anything about this. Which is why I'm spreading awareness, hoping to get enough attention to change their minds.

Also this: The spitter plugin is NOT obsolete or irrelevant. The spitter plugin, even in DAWs that support routing audio to VSTi inputs, is simply a USEFUL tool that just makes the process of sampling from your DAW into Geist easier. It's certainly easier than manually routing audio in your DAW, or any other workaround.

That spitter plugin helped make Geist such a powerhouse sampler for a lot of people because it took a lot of work out of the process and saved people time. I have a blast sampling my master channel quickly with the spitter and remixing my song within Geist, reversing parts, using my DAWs sequencer to do crazy repeater fX and whatnot. I argue that FXpansion should stop blaming DAW devlopers for FXpansion's own lack of insight. That DAW developer's customer base is YOUR customer base too...

However, they are also right...I actually thought that this would be something easy to do in S1, only to find out the hard way that it's impossible. I will be hitting up their feature request section for this feature.

End of rant.

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Glad I read this here, you guys saved me a chunk of money from disappointing myself opening it up in Logic

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realizm01 wrote:
ere2learn wrote:Hope something is figured out for those daws,because the auto sampling to pads is brilliant in Geist2
Well, first FXpansion said they were "looking into it, but won't promise anything."

Then they proceeded to list DAWs that do support the feature, and said that only two DAWs don't, Studio One and Logic. But other DAW owners have piped up. FXpansion didn't name ALL the major DAWs, like MOTU DP or Orion Studio, or FL Studio. So at this point I'm not even sure FXpansion knows how many DAW users they're alienating.

Point is, given FXpansion's answer in the forums, I don't expect they'll be actually doing anything about this. Which is why I'm spreading awareness, hoping to get enough attention to change their minds.

Also this: The spitter plugin is NOT obsolete or irrelevant. The spitter plugin, even in DAWs that support routing audio to VSTi inputs, is simply a USEFUL tool that just makes the process of sampling from your DAW into Geist easier. It's certainly easier than manually routing audio in your DAW, or any other workaround.

That spitter plugin helped make Geist such a powerhouse sampler for a lot of people because it took a lot of work out of the process and saved people time. I have a blast sampling my master channel quickly with the spitter and remixing my song within Geist, reversing parts, using my DAWs sequencer to do crazy repeater fX and whatnot. I argue that FXpansion should stop blaming DAW devlopers for FXpansion's own lack of insight. That DAW developer's customer base is YOUR customer base too...

However, they are also right...I actually thought that this would be something easy to do in S1, only to find out the hard way that it's impossible. I will be hitting up their feature request section for this feature.

End of rant.
Dude... I'm petitioning hard for spitter to return. No need to grill us over a fire!
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Amberience wrote:
realizm01 wrote:
ere2learn wrote:Hope something is figured out for those daws,because the auto sampling to pads is brilliant in Geist2
Well, first FXpansion said they were "looking into it, but won't promise anything."

Then they proceeded to list DAWs that do support the feature, and said that only two DAWs don't, Studio One and Logic. But other DAW owners have piped up. FXpansion didn't name ALL the major DAWs, like MOTU DP or Orion Studio, or FL Studio. So at this point I'm not even sure FXpansion knows how many DAW users they're alienating.

Point is, given FXpansion's answer in the forums, I don't expect they'll be actually doing anything about this. Which is why I'm spreading awareness, hoping to get enough attention to change their minds.

Also this: The spitter plugin is NOT obsolete or irrelevant. The spitter plugin, even in DAWs that support routing audio to VSTi inputs, is simply a USEFUL tool that just makes the process of sampling from your DAW into Geist easier. It's certainly easier than manually routing audio in your DAW, or any other workaround.

That spitter plugin helped make Geist such a powerhouse sampler for a lot of people because it took a lot of work out of the process and saved people time. I have a blast sampling my master channel quickly with the spitter and remixing my song within Geist, reversing parts, using my DAWs sequencer to do crazy repeater fX and whatnot. I argue that FXpansion should stop blaming DAW devlopers for FXpansion's own lack of insight. That DAW developer's customer base is YOUR customer base too...

However, they are also right...I actually thought that this would be something easy to do in S1, only to find out the hard way that it's impossible. I will be hitting up their feature request section for this feature.

End of rant.
Dude... I'm petitioning hard for spitter to return. No need to grill us over a fire!
He's not grilling anyone, he's 'petitioning hard'. Man, read an IK thread, that's roasting, not this post.

Anyway, without wanting to bash unnecessarily, +1 on the 'Bring back Spitter' campaign and good luck Amberience convincing your colleagues, if that's what it takes.

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Yeah .... hard ... but not nasty.

As an S1 user, I'm glad to be aware of realizmo1's advice on my DAW, so thanks :wink:

But I also trust Fxpansion. They've been a quality hallmark for years.
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