Official Arturia VCollection5 thread

[Caine123]

are people here also startin to eat up everything?
not only it's 5gb and if you got more of those crap installers it sums up. i install my products on a Different drive as i want to use my system drive for the system and no entertainment. cant you please think a little bit instead being just naive?

i observe this mentality a lot more recent times.... who cares mentality...

vsts get shinier bigger powrful but the coding etc. gets worse. bravo!

Naive? Ok, I'm a naive. Let's learn from you. Tell us about your problem, or your hard disk(s) problem.
Do you also have SSD with 128 GB or less? and have only 10 GB free?

List the main programs in your system partition and the OS size, then list the free space you have. Also tell me, if you have installed all Kontakt libraries (and samples) in another disk? Just prove your point through explaining your system! I'm a naive and need more info!

well why should i prove to u? use your brain and think about it. the rest is time consumin. if u dont understand then move on i cant help u....
why should u install everything on c? lol... this do people who own a pc for their first Time... geez imma loosing hope finally in humanity

[EnGee]

I don't think your partitions are done right. You have 10GB free, and as far as I know, you should have at least the half size empty, so you should ideally have 40GB free (more or less). How you will deal with future installations/updates ..etc?

Actually there's nothing wrong with that size. There's absolutely no need to have half of the space free. 10GB from 80GB is perfectly fine as the recommended size is 10-15%. I will probably gain 2-3 GB any given time by clearing the Temp folders and Update Cache. As far as installation is concerned there won't be anything to install as my list of software has been pretty much the same for several years. Of course I might occasionally install something but I just can't see any monster installations in my foreseeable future. And indeed, I could resize the partition If I need to.

Maybe!

So, those people you know have only one SSD with 128 GB. Right? Nothing else?

Like pretty much everyone who has a laptop?

Hmmm, I have a laptop (2 years old) with 1 TB Sata (not SSD). Most of the laptops on offer here in the shops in NZ are still in Sata not SSD.

Anyway, I'm done with this thread! For me, I don't have a problem with the size, but I have a problem with some bugs. I don't know yet if the majority have a problem with the installation size, but that's not my problem. Shout, complain, cry or shoot the nearest guy! Choose your way to protest

[4damind]

I don't think that developers lost their knowledge how to program synth etc.

We have too many different devices, screen resolutions etc this days so things are a lot more complicated to provide a scalable GUI if it's based on bitmap images. In the past developers often used a image map with all controls on one single bitmap and attached this as a resource to the binary. Such maps are more complicated to create and to use not to mention that modifications are not so easy.
Today such resources are often outside the binary and for easier usage as single bitmaps for every knob. This needs more resources, more different files to install but it's easier to create/use/modify also for different screen resolutions.

Anyway, a proper configured system for music production must provide more space today.
So it makes sense to think about a second SSD only for plugins/libraries and/or another HDD with 1 or 2TB for data (photos, videos, private stuff). External drives are of course also a good solution if they using some quick connection (USB3 or Thunderbolt) and for laptop users often the only option.

[EnGee]

are people here also startin to eat up everything?
not only it's 5gb and if you got more of those crap installers it sums up. i install my products on a Different drive as i want to use my system drive for the system and no entertainment. cant you please think a little bit instead being just naive?

i observe this mentality a lot more recent times.... who cares mentality...

vsts get shinier bigger powrful but the coding etc. gets worse. bravo!

Naive? Ok, I'm a naive. Let's learn from you. Tell us about your problem, or your hard disk(s) problem.
Do you also have SSD with 128 GB or less? and have only 10 GB free?

List the main programs in your system partition and the OS size, then list the free space you have. Also tell me, if you have installed all Kontakt libraries (and samples) in another disk? Just prove your point through explaining your system! I'm a naive and need more info!

well why should i prove to u? use your brain and think about it. the rest is time consumin. if u dont understand then move on i cant help u....
why should u install everything on c? lol... this do people who own a pc for their first Time... geez imma loosing hope finally in humanity

[jasco]

So now my account says I can "Upgrade from V Collection Classics to V Collection 4 Update" and "This upgrade gives you the latest versions of your instruments", I'm guessing this means the latest V4 versions not the new V5 versions? Pretty unclear tbh.

[4damind]

So now my account says I can "Upgrade from V Collection Classics to V Collection 4 Update" and "This upgrade gives you the latest versions of your instruments", I'm guessing this means the latest V4 versions not the new V5 versions? Pretty unclear tbh.

There are 2 offers... The 99 offer means only the v4 instruments are upgraded to the new version. The new added instruments with v5 needs this more expensive upgrade (199 €/$).

[jasco]

Thanks that's what I thought. It's not a straight upgrade of my existing plugins (Classics only), it's an offer to get the old V4 full collection with updated plugins.

[fmr]

well why should i prove to u? use your brain and think about it. the rest is time consumin. if u dont understand then move on i cant help u....
why should u install everything on c? lol... this do people who own a pc for their first Time... geez imma loosing hope finally in humanity

You want V Collection 5 but you don't have a computer that obeys to the requisites in terms of available disk space? Simple: You either get a new computer, a new HD or simply forget about it. It's not like anyone is forcing you to get the new version, is it? If all you have to bash is about Arturia's options regarding the way they built the new interfaces and where they install their support files (which, BTW is where the OS builder recommends to install them), you stated your point. But you just count as ONE. Get over it.

People complained for years about the size of the GUIs. Now that they have BIG GUIs, they complain about the size of the resources. Bashing Arturia is a sport around here. Could it have been done otherwise? Perhaps, but I feel the same all he time about basically everything. In the end, it's a matter of balancing the cons against the pros. If the balance pends to the cons, i avoid the product. It the balance pends to the pros, I may eventually get the products.

Life is made of options.

[ENV1]

We have too many different devices, screen resolutions etc this days so things are a lot more complicated to provide a scalable GUI if it's based on bitmap images. In the past developers often used a image map with all controls on one single bitmap and attached this as a resource to the binary. Such maps are more complicated to create and to use not to mention that modifications are not so easy.
Today such resources are often outside the binary and for easier usage as single bitmaps for every knob. This needs more resources, more different files to install but it's easier to create/use/modify also for different screen resolutions.

I can accept that view from somebody who isnt into making UIs because they probably just dont know better.

But its not true, and heres why. (No, im no expert by any stretch but even i know that much.)


For one thing, only because the image resources are outside the DLL doesnt necessarily mean that they will need significantly more diskspace than inside the DLL because the size of the data will stay the same either way. The resources sure are easier to modify/exchange that way, that much is true, but for them to need significantly more diskspace one would literally have to do it like Arturia has done and provide the resources as thousands of individual files in hundrets of individual folders so that the overhead explodes. Otherwise there wouldnt be much of a difference unless the DLL was heavily compressed and the compression was applied to the resources too.

It is also not true that 'things are a lot more complicated to provide a scalable GUI if it's based on bitmap images'. It all depends on how you go about it, and various examples are available. Urs Heckmann for instance has found a more or less perfect middle-road; he provides one set of high-resolution images for ALL sizes and simply scales everything down as needed when the user selects a size smaller than 200%. He also partially uses realtime generated fonts, which helps to keep some labels from getting too fuzzy from the interpolation on smaller sizes. His Beatzille for example is resizable in 14 steps from 200% all the way down to 70%. The entire UI needs 361 files in 16 folders. The real size of the image files is about 5MB, but need 6MB on disk because he too is using individual images for the animations rather than the more common 1-file animation strips. So in this case the UI is already on the very low side as far as filesize and file-amount are concerned, and could technically still be reduced even more (maybe 70-80% fewer files) if he switched from singles to strips.

And thats efficiency. Its not perfect efficiency because of the single files thing, but it still doesnt waste peoples diskspace needlessly in such a wild manner, and its still a far cry from 18.899 files in 528 folders for a UI with a comparable feature set. (And thats only for ONE of the plugins.)


That being said, if others dont have a problem with that kind of unnecessary waste of space then thats perfectly alright with me. After all what everyone else is doing on their PCs doesnt concern me, thats their business not mine. However, i also think that those that DO have a problem with it (or at least wondering 'why the unusual approach') are entitled to say so too because after all this is a public thread in a public forum and the threadtitle doesnt demand that only specific aspects be brought up for discussion.

[robotmonkey]

People complained for years about the size of the GUIs. Now that they have BIG GUIs, they complain about the size of the resources.

Well, like I said before, I think the complaints are perfectly justified. It's not like Arturia is the first company to invent different sized GUI's. Just as an example, XILS-Lab synths have had 3 GUI sizes for quite some time. All the sizes look fantastic. Any of the XILS synths will also blow any of the Arturia synths out of the water sonically (even if it's not apples to apples comparison). And guess what? Their installers are half the size of even the old V4 Arturia synths. The problem is that the way Arturia has implemented this just feels like a shoddy hack in comparison.

[ENV1]

I think the complaints are perfectly justified.

They are.

And i for one am not even complaining, im just generally criticising it because if that kind of diskspace slaughter becomes the new norm you can imagine where its gonna end. IMO we have to say NO to that before it catches on. Better ways ARE available.

[Scotty]

The elephant isn't being ignored, it already ate the room and it is threatening to eat the house. Just leave a few crumbs for the rest of us.

Where were we? Oh yes ... let's just ignore the elephant in the room. Go ................

[Scotty]

"Diskspace slaughter" paired with "I'm not even complaining" could use further explanation however I'd much rather read about the sound. Does any care to talk about the Farfisa V? I've never owned or played the real deal. Does this version cover the same territory? Does that even matter to you? Is it its own thing?

I think the complaints are perfectly justified.

They are.

And i for one am not even complaining, im just generally criticising it because if that kind of diskspace slaughter becomes the new norm you can imagine where its gonna end. IMO we have to say NO to that before it catches on. Better ways ARE available.

[Caine123]

well why should i prove to u? use your brain and think about it. the rest is time consumin. if u dont understand then move on i cant help u....
why should u install everything on c? lol... this do people who own a pc for their first Time... geez imma loosing hope finally in humanity

You want V Collection 5 but you don't have a computer that obeys to the requisites in terms of available disk space? Simple: You either get a new computer, a new HD or simply forget about it. It's not like anyone is forcing you to get the new version, is it? If all you have to bash is about Arturia's options regarding the way they built the new interfaces and where they install their support files (which, BTW is where the OS builder recommends to install them), you stated your point. But you just count as ONE. Get over it.

People complained for years about the size of the GUIs. Now that they have BIG GUIs, they complain about the size of the resources. Bashing Arturia is a sport around here. Could it have been done otherwise? Perhaps, but I feel the same all he time about basically everything. In the end, it's a matter of balancing the cons against the pros. If the balance pends to the cons, i avoid the product. It the balance pends to the pros, I may eventually get the products.

Life is made of options.

reading and understanding seems to bei hard... sorry buddy... diskspace. diskspace handling. and forcing installers which tell you instead of you tell them is Hard to understand. really?


keep on rockin! seems music communities are not far from gaming communities in terms of thinking about a topic anymore and empathy....

[ENV1]

"Diskspace slaughter" paired with "I'm not even complaining" could use further explanation

What part of 'im not complaining but just generally criticising the concept' is it that you didnt understand?

And whats with all the thinly veiled digs all the time, anyway?

Cant you just accept that you are not the one who is dictating the course of this thread and behave accordingly?

You know, like every normal person would?