Hardware vs software synths take infinity : topic initial focus Andromeda A6
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- KVRAF
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Well I have a new activity for you to do. Try to study and find out what is this quality that softsynths are missing. Come back into society when you have found it and tell all the relevant people who will do something with that research, so that everyone may benefit in the end. 
Use all the tools you can and do tests, until you find what it is. In that you'll make a discovery no one else has been able to find. Think of it like a challenge to yourself. If you can perceive something no one else can, than it is worthy of being shared, so that everyone else can become aware too.
Use all the tools you can and do tests, until you find what it is. In that you'll make a discovery no one else has been able to find. Think of it like a challenge to yourself. If you can perceive something no one else can, than it is worthy of being shared, so that everyone else can become aware too.
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Theo, could you post some your musical output from the hardware era and the plugin era, maybe even not telling us which is which, so we would have to guess? We often hear our music completely differently than others do, paying attention to things no one else hears and missing the global picture.
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I find these debates somewhat tedious. I don't really feel the need to justify my choice of tools other than to say that I use what I like. I have an Andromeda and I love it. I also love Diva and countless other softsynths. And just for Theo's benefit, I have a Wavestation SR which I hate to program and pretty much only ever use as a preset ROMpler.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRAF
- 26958 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Analog has something digital doesn't... but it is also limited in ways digital isn't.
The one thing I think is generally better about older digital hardware is the presets... The sounds that were desirable then are generally more musically pleasing (to me) than the sought after sounds today. Stuff today often sounds hard and aggressive. Older stuff sounds rounder, more emotive and musical which I like.
I don't think that has to do with technology or skill, but is just a sign of the aesthetic of the times.
As for music... I find older music more human. It is not just that analog recording equipment had some good qualities, but that you could not tweak every little thing. Today everything can and is edited and often to death... or at least less life. Stuff is too perfect and to my ear, something is lost.
A hardware synth had/has some important limitations... especially back then. People did not automate every little thing. Music was played more and constructed less. Today it is constructed more and played less. I'd say that this has significantly more influence on the perceived character of the music than the 'sound quality' of the instrument.
To my ear, software sounds at least as good as digital hardware and it is these other (rarely mentioned factors) that more influence perceptions.
The one thing I think is generally better about older digital hardware is the presets... The sounds that were desirable then are generally more musically pleasing (to me) than the sought after sounds today. Stuff today often sounds hard and aggressive. Older stuff sounds rounder, more emotive and musical which I like.
I don't think that has to do with technology or skill, but is just a sign of the aesthetic of the times.
As for music... I find older music more human. It is not just that analog recording equipment had some good qualities, but that you could not tweak every little thing. Today everything can and is edited and often to death... or at least less life. Stuff is too perfect and to my ear, something is lost.
A hardware synth had/has some important limitations... especially back then. People did not automate every little thing. Music was played more and constructed less. Today it is constructed more and played less. I'd say that this has significantly more influence on the perceived character of the music than the 'sound quality' of the instrument.
To my ear, software sounds at least as good as digital hardware and it is these other (rarely mentioned factors) that more influence perceptions.
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- KVRAF
- 37409 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Ironically the same is true of the plugin.deastman wrote:I have a Wavestation SR which I hate to program and pretty much only ever use as a preset ROMpler.
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I won't say what it is but it's probably pretty obvious, i think it's capable of some great big pad sounds: https://app.box.com/s/yyvt9rrgudoyns7fb5spdzwvbxb2djku
Not trying to compete, just think it sounds great and similar qualities to the andromeda.
Not trying to compete, just think it sounds great and similar qualities to the andromeda.
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You can try to run cables from soundcard to another one's inputs (ofcourse soundcard has to have some good great preamps) to give some warmth and depth.
There is quite a difference if i run from Virus Ti soundcard via Saffire Pro Input. On my soundcard you can even hear how the panning slightly changes. On some sounds the translation is quite significant.
You can download Default Fl Studio song to see how it sounds different https://we.tl/gwNCEt1GEs
FLS ---> Rendered
Ableton ---> Recorded (Virus Ti Out to Saffire Pro)
Its a whole song, for me personaly the recorded one sounds much more pleasant, "real". And basicly everything sounds better running via analog out to analog in.
I also think that the quality/warmness (or whatevar) difference is there because Analog synths and VAs are using analog outputs.
There is quite a difference if i run from Virus Ti soundcard via Saffire Pro Input. On my soundcard you can even hear how the panning slightly changes. On some sounds the translation is quite significant.
You can download Default Fl Studio song to see how it sounds different https://we.tl/gwNCEt1GEs
FLS ---> Rendered
Ableton ---> Recorded (Virus Ti Out to Saffire Pro)
Its a whole song, for me personaly the recorded one sounds much more pleasant, "real". And basicly everything sounds better running via analog out to analog in.
I also think that the quality/warmness (or whatevar) difference is there because Analog synths and VAs are using analog outputs.
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- KVRist
- 279 posts since 13 May, 2003
I remember being very impressed by a patch called 'Andromeda strings' (yeah) in the Bazille demo.
So much so I kept a small clip to remind me I should buy it the day I get some cash.
here it is, with the demo crackling and all (reverb was Cubase Revelation)
https://app.box.com/s/izisdwamozhxtlrm90w0vweh186o1tu1
So much so I kept a small clip to remind me I should buy it the day I get some cash.
here it is, with the demo crackling and all (reverb was Cubase Revelation)
https://app.box.com/s/izisdwamozhxtlrm90w0vweh186o1tu1
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- KVRAF
- 3499 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
Say what it is, NOW !musikmachine wrote:I won't say what it is but it's probably pretty obvious, i think it's capable of some great big pad sounds: https://app.box.com/s/yyvt9rrgudoyns7fb5spdzwvbxb2djku
Not trying to compete, just think it sounds great and similar qualities to the andromeda.
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