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4damind · Post by **4damind** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 8:32 am

1 is Pianoteq... sounds a bit artificial and "compressed" for me
2 is the real piano

DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:11 am

Number 1 is Pianoteq, definitely : the attack sounds like a pluck sound from a synthesizer.

Arrested Developer · Post by **Arrested Developer** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:26 am

logburner wrote: 2 could be a sample piano but I don't know such a good sounding piano library so my guess is 2 is a real piano.

...with ivory American Grand you can get a much better sound as in 2 (as in 1 anyway).
But i don't know any (famous or non famous) pianist who plays that piece in such a creepy way.
Whoever did this, is completely ignorant about that piece.
The complete lack of rubato, the missing dynamic balance between right and left hand points to
a midi file. Or maybe a zombie pianist.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:42 am

logburner wrote:Sustain and release stage sound sterile and artificial on Pianoteq.

This is absolutely untrue.

logburner · Post by **logburner** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:22 pm

EvilDragon wrote:
logburner wrote:Sustain and release stage sound sterile and artificial on Pianoteq.
This is absolutely untrue.

To your ears (and some others), right?

logburner · Post by **logburner** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:43 pm

Arrested Developer wrote:
logburner wrote: 2 could be a sample piano but I don't know such a good sounding piano library so my guess is 2 is a real piano.
...with ivory American Grand you can get a much better sound as in 2 (as in 1 anyway).

I don't have Ivory American D, but online demos sound great. One of the best piano libraries to my ears.

With comparison to the clip 2, Ivory American D sounds a bit more high-mid forward sounding and has less hammer striking string noise in my observation. Started feeling it could be NI's Grandeur...

logburner · Post by **logburner** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:50 pm

Now listening to the clips again, both started sound like Pianoteq to me.

Oberheim 8000 · Post by **Oberheim 8000** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:06 pm

1. recording sounds like Pianoteq to me too.
2. recording sounds like real piano to me with comparison with first record.

But my guess is 1. real record if it is true or midi record
2. Pianoteq

I listen the performance too not only sound. 1. is more dynamic with tempo, more human.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:18 pm

oscarolarte wrote:Which one is the real thing????

http://82.144.5.101/file/piano/Love_Dream-1.mp3
http://82.144.5.101/file/piano/Love_Dream-2.mp3

One is a professional recording played by one of the best pianist in the world.

The other one is MIDI and PianoTeq 5 - D4

This is like a blind test with wine, will see who knows.

the second one sounds robotic, as if it's just a MIDI file downloaded from the Internet. so provided one is a recording and the other one is Pianoteq (i.e. provided you didn't lie about what the two files are), i'd say the second is Pianoteq. the first one sounds like someone actually played it. if you're going to put up such a comparison, at least have the decency of showcasing both at their best - find a good MIDI performance by someone.

oscarolarte · Post by **oscarolarte** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:11 pm

OK, i'll have to try harder, is true.

1-Pianoteq
2-Real Piano

I'll be back with a no so obvious test.

Thanks all.

oscarolarte · Post by **oscarolarte** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:19 pm

The second one is 01 Liebestraum No. 3, S. 541 _Love Dream_by Walter Rinaldi.

You can check it on Spotify or iTunes

Arrested Developer · Post by **Arrested Developer** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:52 pm

oscarolarte wrote:The second one is 01 Liebestraum No. 3, S. 541 _Love Dream_by Walter Rinaldi.

obviously this guy sells lame midi files, pretending having played them.

If you play that piece on a real piano, you will see how much sympathetic resonances build up in some passages.

fisherKing · Post by **fisherKing** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:24 pm

oscarolarte wrote:OK, i'll have to try harder, is true.

1-Pianoteq
2-Real Piano

I'll be back with a no so obvious test.

Thanks all.

but isn't that the point? pianoteq is pretty great, but it's not (yet) definitive (it does seem to get better with each new iteration)...

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:15 pm

logburner wrote:
EvilDragon wrote:
logburner wrote:Sustain and release stage sound sterile and artificial on Pianoteq.
This is absolutely untrue.
To your ears (and some others), right?

Don't bother ED. That is only useless "yada yada yada".

FLWrd · Post by **FLWrd** » Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:24 pm

Oberheim 8000 wrote:I listen the performance too not only sound. 1. is more dynamic with tempo, more human.

2 seems to have a very steady tempo is rather quantized. It may play all the notes at exactly the prescribed moment, but there is no performance to speak of, so it can't be a renowned pianist. Listen to the end of the first phrase. That should be all you need to hear. #2 sounds good, though. Bit steel-y.

Edit: I wrote this trying not to read the rest of the thread, but oscar seems to imply that #1 was Pianoteq?

Best Piano - PIANOTEQ