MuLab & MUX Modular 7 Released

[pljones]

I'm not certain (not played with it enough) to say whether it's the part or the sequence that owns the grid (sequence would make sense) but whichever, it's at the level you're editing the notes you need it. Just worry about tempo at the composer grid level (that's why I say set the composer grid to beat and use the parts to control bars).

So yes, then each track has its own parts and they can have whatever grid you like.

[memyselfandus]

To be clear. Poly meters = multiple time signatures at the same time on multiple tracks. Not multiple grid lengths in the same time signature on different tracks.

I see steinberg is adding poly meters to their new notation program that is being worked on. If this can be done in Mulab then I need to buy a copy and use it for specific projects I'm working on.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[pljones]

You're still able to add compensating delays where needed in the modular signal path (which is why it's a non-trivial problem compared with non-modular engines). Given discussions, I think it's getting pretty near the top of the list for what's coming next.

(Simple modular network: A, B feed C, C feeds D and E, D feeds F and G, E feeds H and I; E also mixes with G to go to audio out; F mixes with H; G mixes with I; those last two mix to go to audio out... Now work out the PDC network across that... )

[SeePlusPlus]

pdc

i guess i can record the results of say "a patch so complex delay is noticeable" with the recording device
then drop it in my sequence with precision because M7 has a snap marker for audio

think it'll work? i bet it will

[pljones]

To be clear. Poly meters = multiple time signatures at the same time on multiple tracks. Not multiple grid lengths in the same time signature on different tracks.

I see steinberg is adding poly meters to their new notation program that is being worked on. If this can be done in Mulab then I need to buy a copy and use it for specific projects I'm working on.

You can try it out in the free version easily enough. As I say, don't think in terms of time signatures too rigidly. Polymeters means different beat positions playing against each other - you can achieve that by parts having different grids for where the notes start.

[memyselfandus]

And how many let's say quarter notes there are in a bar of say 7/4...

[pljones]

Seven. That's what the /4 means.

[memyselfandus]

I know but if you can change grids but not time sigs per track then you can't have one track with 4/4 and the tracks below it in 7/4 (without a visual mess) and I'm assuming if you can't do this then you wouldn't be able to get the metronome clicking at either or time sig option for recording in stuff when you want to use the metronome as a guide. Yes you can do all sorts of cool stuff by changing the grid lengths but you can do that type of stuff everywhere I think.

The other thing is it looks like the grid options themselves are limited to limited presets and no user definable grid lengths like you can in let's say Reaper.

Of course this only matters in this context. For people who actually want to do this sort of music.

User definable grid lengths beyond the limited preset grid length options would solve this part.

Other than this stuff which only applies to a small minority but also applies to flexibility in general.. Mulab is pretty dang awesome. Looking Great! Probps to the amazing developer!

[imprint]

The advantage seems to be using MuLab and MUX together...but on Mac that isn't possible? Any Mac users out there have feedback? Perhaps use something like Numerology with it?

Edit.
Just downloaded it to audition...apparently MuLab does not support AU altogether, so Numerology isn't an option.

[Michael L]

using MuLab and MUX together...but on Mac

MuLab contains MUX, and I use it on Mac. The features are the same as Windows. FYI, you can change the piano roll Grid from Bar to multiple Beats, down to 1/1024 Beat, to No Grid, and use it to trigger the Step Sequencer with Instant Start and up to 12 and 16 steps/beat; +/- offset any step, and then add swing for every part or sequence separately; switch patterns, and randomize any parameter. If I can hear what I want to do, I can usually find a way to do it.

Also, I demoed Numerology as a VST in MuLab. See the Numerology "Nine things to know:"
8. Other than running as a standlone app, you can integrate Numerology into your existing studio workflow in a variety of ways, such as running it as a VST or Audio Unit plugin

[pljones]

User definable grid lengths beyond the limited preset grid length options would solve this part.

There's an edit option. And a create option. What exactly are you missing to create user defined grids?

[imprint]

using MuLab and MUX together...but on Mac

MuLab contains MUX, and I use it on Mac. The features are the same as Windows. FYI, you can change the piano roll Grid from Bar to multiple Beats, down to 1/1024 Beat, to No Grid, and use it to trigger the Step Sequencer with Instant Start and up to 12 and 16 steps/beat; +/- offset any step, and then add swing for every part or sequence separately; switch patterns, and randomize any parameter. If I can hear what I want to do, I can usually find a way to do it.

Also, I demoed Numerology as a VST in MuLab. See the Numerology "Nine things to know:"
8. Other than running as a standlone app, you can integrate Numerology into your existing studio workflow in a variety of ways, such as running it as a VST or Audio Unit plugin

Thanks. Now after some sleep and coffee it's making more sense. Exploring a new DAW at 1am and downloading a demo can lead to some ill-advised Forum posts. There are other questions but the answers are probably right in front of me so back to exploring it in demo mode...

[memyselfandus]

User definable grid lengths beyond the limited preset grid length options would solve this part.

There's an edit option. And a create option. What exactly are you missing to create user defined grids?

I'm not seeing any way to user define the grids. I'll have to mess with it more. I'm still lost on how to insert the time signature changes.

[pljones]

I'm still lost on how to insert the time signature changes.

Like I said at the beginning, stop thinking of "time signature" -- that a music notation term and we're not dealing with music notation here, we're dealing with MIDI events triggering sounds. You can get the note on events exactly where you're after them in a comfortable way using a grid of your own creation. Start MuLab 7.0.47, lower right corner of the Composer view has the grid controls and a tool menu "star" icon. Click the icon, read the menu, find the "Edit" and "Create new grid" menu options. Now, on the "Basic Synth Rack" track, draw in a part and double-click to edit. Again, in the sequence editor, bottom right of the view has the grid controls for the sequence (i.e. the grid here is different from the composer grid - and from any other sequence in the composition). Again, clicking the tool menu "star" icon brings up the "Edit" and "Create new grid" menu options.