feeling demotivated (what to do)

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outside wrote:If you focus on quantity, quality will prevail. Don't try to make masterpieces from start, if you train yourself to finish each track faster, it will become your second nature.
I am not so sure about that claim. Since I am not some industrious genius I prefer to strive for one really good track rather than ten crappy ones.

Facing similar issues, I get the feeling that it's different for songs vs instrumental music. With a song, I feel the need to communicate some message, and for that I have to create a vehicle, which on its own doesn't have to impress that much (I often listen to famous songs stripped of their vocals on YT, the result is often quite mediocre). With instrumental music (probably the vast majority of the music made by KVR members) the approach seems different, it's more about fancy synth patches and trying to find a place for them in an arbitrary melody one has yet to find. I suppose with real composers and musicians the melodies originate in people's heads and then they transfer them into real life, whereas typical computer musicians often just play around, hoping they will stumble upon a nice melody by chance.

Getting a rompler has helped me somewhat. Often I just load the Rhodes piano and play chord sequences, instead of programming sounds. Still, sometimes I don't even feel like opening my DAW anymore because I am unhappy with that whole music stuff and I feel like maybe I am wasting my time.
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Let's say one week, you do 5 mediocre songs and 5 compositions vs one week of doing 1 "good" track and 1 composition. Composition wins every single time long term.

Quantity always becomes quality over time. Trying to get that one magical good track is a myth, especially as a beginner. Quality comes with years and years of hard work, as with everything in life.
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outside wrote:Let's say one week, you do 5 mediocre songs and 5 compositions vs one week of doing 1 "good" track and 1 composition. Composition wins every single time long term.

Quantity always becomes quality over time. Trying to get that one magical good track is a myth, especially as a beginner. Quality comes with years and years of hard work, as with everything in life.
So, in other words, one should not expect to produce anything worthy of being released for years, right? Being an impatient person, that might pose a problem, demotivating even :P Not least when one is all alone in that, nobody teaching you how to do things, motivating you...
And when I listen to other people's music in the evening, I get kind of frustrated because it is so good compared to whatever I do.
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fluffy_little_something wrote:
So, in other words, one should not expect to produce anything worthy of being released for years, right?
Right. There is no way one can overcome that.
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fluffy_little_something wrote:
So, in other words, one should not expect to produce anything worthy of being released for years, right? Being an impatient person, that might pose a problem, demotivating even :P
That's why you will have new tracks coming out weekly, and you will be able to see progress which for me is motivating. Enjoy the ride, and most importantly have fun. Being stuck on each track for days is the main reason why many beginners feel demotivated in producing music. Finish it and move on to the next one.
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When I get "de-motivated" I stop trying to compose/produce original music. I pick a song by one of my favorite artists and I try to "cover" it. I must emphasize here that I don't mean re-mix. Also don't use sheet music, guitar tabs, or MIDI files of the song that are available on the web. Try to recreate the song by ear. You will learn a lot about song structure, chord progressions, and melodies. You will also find methods you can "borrow" for your original work. Even if the cover isn't very good it will take some of the pressure off of your need to make music. I don't claim to know anything about anything. This is just what I do. It works for me.

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outside wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:
So, in other words, one should not expect to produce anything worthy of being released for years, right? Being an impatient person, that might pose a problem, demotivating even :P
That's why you will have new tracks coming out weekly, and you will be able to see progress which for me is motivating. Enjoy the ride, and most importantly have fun. Being stuck on each track for days is the main reason why many beginners feel demotivated in producing music. Finish it and move on to the next one.
I am stuck on each track literally, I mean track as in multi-track :P For an entire track (as in song) I would need months, for which I am not patient enough...

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Hm. Maybe give yourself some limitation? Write on paper what you want from your track.

Something like:

Intro - build - drop - break - build - drop - outro (=224 bars). There you have a structure.

kick, 2 snares, 3 hihats, 4 percussions. There you have drums for your track.

bass, 2 plucks, 3 layers of pads, lead with one variation. There you have sounds. Or "paints". Now all you have to do is to fill your "canvas" ^^

And now that you have your limitations, forget them and go with the flow :D If you feel stuck, you can always come back to the "basics".

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What I usually do, is that I make one part at a time. Usually I make drop (or verse if you prefer that) first, then start to build from intro to build to drop etc etc. And I don't spend too much time with one instru track. I just do it and accept it and maybe fix later if needed.

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Lejurai wrote:Write on paper what you want from your track.

Something like:

Intro - build - drop - break - build - drop - outro (=224 bars). There you have a structure.

kick, 2 snares, 3 hihats, 4 percussions. There you have drums for your track.

bass, 2 plucks, 3 layers of pads, lead with one variation. There you have sounds. Or "paints". Now all you have to do is to fill your "canvas" ^^
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fluffy_little_something wrote:
I am stuck on each track literally, I mean track as in multi-track :P For an entire track (as in song) I would need months, for which I am not patient enough...
So composition is not for you ... you can have fun messing about with synths without any "goal". Finishing tunes takes patience as well as talent.

Sometimes a collaboration can get me re-motivated. I've just finished a couple of acoustic tunes with a singer friend of mine.

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"feeling demotivated (what to do)"

Move to Colorado. Motivation is legal there.

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thecontrolcentre wrote:So composition is not for you ... you can have fun messing about with synths without any "goal". Finishing tunes takes patience as well as talent.

Sometimes a collaboration can get me re-motivated. I've just finished a couple of acoustic tunes with a singer friend of mine.
Composition, yes, it is not easy. When I listen to music I like I often notice that it is not just a musical composition, but also a sound composition. Some artists (or rather the people behind them) use a lot of different synth and other sounds that sound weak or even odd on their own, but together they sound good. I doubt I will ever have that kind of talent and skill.

I suppose so. If you are lucky enough to know someone who likes to the make the same kind of music, that sure must be helpful :)

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Ayorinde wrote:This may not help, but make sure you have a very clear idea of what your next opus is to be. Arrange it in your head, have an idea of the sounds you want etc. It will help you to finish your tracks.
Leave any unfinished tracks - you can always come back to them - and start using the advice given by these other guys to be more disciplined.
And don't be afraid to delete an entire project if after a year or so it's still going nowhere. (There's a whole thread on this alone!!)
Good luck!
I'm quoting myself to remind me of what I wrote/typed/said before... :hyper:
Sometimes, I just practice - load up a template, and just experiment, the only end being to get to know my gear better. Sometimes I load up a finished track and remix it with a different set of processors, just to improve my knowledge. Sometimes I even end up with something worth while....
And listen to new (to you) music - YouTube is good for that. Search for a genre you don't normally listen to and see what happens...
The important thing is to do something!

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Feeling demotivated is kind of a permanent state for me, with everything. :(

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chk071 wrote:Feeling demotivated is kind of a permanent state for me, with everything. :(
Almost nothing offers real fulfillment in the end, so you probably don't have much motivation for doing it, majority of things we do have short temporary enjoyment and doesn't offer anything much on long run, they just take our time, patience and money in most cases, but we still feel empty in the end of the day...so yeah, enjoy in things now for what they are, that's all they offer, just short temporary escape from reality. :hug:
This entire forum is wading through predictions, opinions, barely formed thoughts, drama, and whining. If you don't enjoy that, why are you here? :D ShawnG

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