Steinberg 8.5 from 6.5

[TranceLover]

Hi guys,

I have been here for long time but i can't reach my old account (TranceDream).

Why Steinberg upgrades are so expensive and they never think about their customers?


i bought Cubase 6.5 when i didn't have any coming salary.

Because i started to use it always and i decided to buy legal one
Even i'm not rich and i don't earn money from music for now
And i live in a country where Euro rates are hell againt local currency.

Uprade is 249 Euro from 6.5 .

My monthly salary is 620 Euro
Rent Home is 230 Euro
Food ext you guess.
and i have to look one person too with my salary

So what should i do ? Steinberg never answered to it.

Or may be i need to look donates from people because of Steinberg?

[chk071]

Or may be i need to look donates from people because of Steinberg?

How about accepting that you can't buy something, if you don't have the necessary funds?

Regarding your questions why Cubase, or the upgrades are so expensive: Well, why is the one car more expensive than the other? Why do apples cost what they cost? Why is one apple more expensive than the other? The most important question is though, are you willing to buy the upgrade for that price, or not? Don't blame others, think and act for yourself. That may sound like parenting, but you asked the premature question in the first place. Seriously, if you think it's too expensive, please, for the love of god, don't buy it. Pretty please. You don't have to, you don't need to. You are an emancipated, self-driven human being. Not a soul less slave robot to the consumer world. And chit-chatting about it won't help you either. What would it be worth to you, if i said now that the price is justified, or that the oppposite is the case? You'd still have to decide for yourself, if you think that that is the whole truth.

[TranceLover]

I don't say that i don't want to buy , i say i can't .

Other DAWs don't have upgrade prices as Cubase has .

Car and DAW , are you serious ? Musicians need to improve their equipments sometimes . Car is only for fun.

I have PC , i don't cry why i don't have apple .

I'm legal Cubase user and i have right to discuss with people about it .

I worked as export manager , when customers discussed why it is like that bla bla , i didn't say so Dont buy.
I tried to help them as i can do even i didn't earn money from exports.

[chk071]

I don't say that i don't want to buy , i say i can't .

Then don't. I can't afford many things too.

[TranceLover]

I don't say that i don't want to buy , i say i can't .

Then don't. I can't afford many things too.

You didn't understand me what i wanted to tell.

I wanted to discuss they have wrong price politic for their customers and upgrade.

[murnau]

Cubase is the wrong DAW for you then. You should switch to a sequencer which isn't that expensive. I'm afraid Steinberg give a sh*t about your income so if i would be you i would sh*t on them too.

The expensive upgrades are the reason i stopped using Cubase with 6.5 and changed my DAW. I'm not willing to support this price policy when there are so great alternatives around nowdays.

[chk071]

I don't say that i don't want to buy , i say i can't .

Then don't. I can't afford many things too.

You didn't understand me what i wanted to tell.

I wanted to discuss they have wrong price politic for their customers and upgrade.

I understand. I am out of the discussion then, because i consider those as vastly pointless. Murnau described what you should do if you are not content with their prices. Noone from Steinberg will even read this. And if they sell well, the price is high. If they don't sell well, the prices will decrease. Obviously, they sell well, and business is good for them. Good luck.

[Compyfox]

Why Steinberg upgrades are so expensive and they never think about their customers?

The actual real question would be (for me at least), why force out paid .5 upgrades every year? Then again, they do this (with some exceptions) since the 90ies...

Uprade is 249 Euro from 6.5 .

Considering that Cubase 6.5 is over 4 years old at this point (Released Feb 2012), I think that is still a fair deal for jumping to 8.5 - AND having the option to get Cubase 9 if you happen to be within the grace period. Prices dropped, I paid way more than that back in the days for ignoring 2-3 interim major versions.

The only criticism I see here, is the different pricing from different versions rather than 50EUR from .0 to .5 and 150EUR (can't find prices from 7.5 to 8.0 - went by the ones from 6.5 to 7.0, yes a bit steep) from .5 to the next .0.

Then the steps are setting in: 7.5 to 8.5 - 150EUR (that's basically 2 upgrades), 7.0 to 8.5 already being 199EUR (here the price is definitely a bit steep), then 6.0/6.5 to 8.5 (that's covering 2.5 versions!) for 250EUR, 4 or 5 to 8.5 - 299EUR (that's 4.5 versions max! For a super low price!)

In retrospect - I paid 399 from VST5 32 (the "pro" version back in the days) to SX3. And there was NO INTERIM paid .5 version for SX1 and SX2 (all .1 and .2 updates were free)... the time from VST5 to SX3 was also roughly 5 years. Taking into consideration that Cubase 4 was released in September 2006, that's 10 years... 10 years that you can still jump from for merely(!) 299EUR.

All of that with the capability to get use of the Grace Period upgrade!

I'd say the only valid argument here is for people that jump from "closer" versions to the current release (which I can kind of agree on). And we had that topic over and over and over again. But there are legit ways around it (I speak about this a couple of times in this thread).



I mean, let's take a look at your version - Cubase 6.5 to Cubase 8.5
4 years á 12 months, that's 48 months. 250EUR / 48 = 5,20EUR/month to put aside

And you still save 150 bucks from upgrading v8.5 to v9 if you time it right!
Suddenly, the upgrade is not so expensive anymore, now is it?

Yes, I am fully aware that even that can be problematic to you (I've been there, still am a couple of times throughout the year!) - but this argument might pop up eventually, so let's get it out in the open right off the bat.

My monthly salary is 620 Euro
Rent Home is 230 Euro
Food ext you guess.
and i have to look one person too with my salary

As somebody that can relate to this, I have about 220-250bucks/month left for just food/family (post monthly bills), and grocery store prices are insane currently. So if I don't have a parallel bigger income or sell/trade old gear, there is no chance in hell that I can handle maintenance updates on a regular basis. Neither can I upgrade my PC regularly to keep up with more and more CPU/RAM hungry tool releases.

There are people that have it worse, there are people that don't care. You're just one among many - and there are still legal ways around it (backdoors, hint once more: grace period).

So what should i do ? Steinberg never answered to it.

Why should they?!

Buy the software upgrade, wait for Cubase 9 (probably hits around October/November 2016 if they keep up their upgrade cycle timeframes), activate. Then the maintenance costs are much, much lower.

This backdoor is known for years - and there is no need to talk about it over and over (like I did like 3-4 times already in this post alone!). Just use Google or the search engine on KVR.


Or ignore that, maybe risk that Steinberg is like "we drop upgrades below a certain version number" (wouldn't be the first time, then again, people can still upgrade from Cubase 4!) and pay full at a later state.

Alternatively if you're still not happy with that outcome, get a different host that costs way less, and maybe even has lifetime upgrades.

You're a student? Even better!
Mostly half price off for 95% of the tools on the market (not for upgrades though).



As chk071 said - you're not forced to upgrade as long as the host still works for you. You're not even forced to use Cubase in the first place. It's the same nonsense as people saying "only serious musicians use ProTools" - those times are long gone.

Or may be i need to look donates from people because of Steinberg?

Man, I'd love to get donations from people because of EVERYTHING, and without moving a muscle.
I love that thinking... Where do I sign up?

[/sarcasm]

But alas - the world is cruel, I also have to work for my income. Though I do enjoy my work...