New Aphex Twin incoming: Cheetah EP ... [1st official video inside]

[Numanoid]

Written & produced @ the Dandelion Spaceship (pre-Syro)

Too late to get on the Cosmos soundtrack

[inkwarp]

That's 4 more than I liked lol. Aphex went off the boil for me around '96. That's when it seemed like he didn't have much to say anymore.

To like AFX is to unexpect the expected.

ha.. classic...

[ATS]

Records on the other hand sound better than CDs.

A comment meant for the trolling thread, surely?

Actually most audiophiles agree with this. Also a CD is just multiple snapshots of a sound while analog (records) is the complete signal. So with CD you don't even hear everything with a CD

[Numanoid]

Actually most audiophiles agree with this. Also a CD is just multiple snapshots of a sound while analog (records) is the complete signal. So with CD you don't even hear everything with a CD

But there is nothing inbuilt mysterious in a vinyl record, it is usually stated on sleeve if it is either it 48 or 96 khz 24 bit or whatever.

Not that most ears can hear any difference though, having torremented those very ears by going to lots of high volume shows over the years.

But anyway, if the CD is 48 and the vinyl is 96 obvioulsy you are right

[do_androids_dream]

Records on the other hand sound better than CDs.

A comment meant for the trolling thread, surely?

Actually most audiophiles agree with this. Also a CD is just multiple snapshots of a sound while analog (records) is the complete signal. So with CD you don't even hear everything with a CD

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.. you'll have to do some reading and researching - digital can reconstruct a signal completely - there's nothing 'missing' that's magically there on the vinyl format. Almost all sources sent to a cutting house start out as digital files - there's your first clue And no, anyone who calls themselves an audiophile and thinks vinyl sounds 'better' is certainly not an audiophile! When listening to vinyl you are essentially listening to a vinyl 'version' of a piece of music - complete with sometimes many compromises from the original source - rolling off significant high end, making sure there are minimal phase differences (in other words potentially destroying the stereo image for some tracks - or passages of some tracks) - and a healthy dose of distortion thrown in. I master for vinyl..

[inkwarp]

the issue is not that it's better quality than cd/dvd etc, that much is evident. it is more to do with the fact that vinyl records are a tangible artifact. it's tactile, it has noise, comforting sounds of crackles and little skips that make you feel warm inside :)
and when a vinyl record you love is scratched you mourn it, not so with digital. it's humorous that a lot of artists try and put this back into a digital recording. the ultimate downside with digital is that it is so pure and remote. i still listen to my pixies albums on vinyl ( well, used to, my record player got broken : ( ).
the number of hours i have spent pouring over sleeve notes, i miss that.
in that sense i think is what the poster meant. it's not a clinically technical issue.
i remembered listening to this a long time ago ( yes, on lovely fragile vinyl):

happy listening : )

[Numanoid]

it is more to do with the fact that vinyl records are a tangible artifact. it's tactile, it has noise, comforting sounds of crackles and little skips that make you feel warm inside

Not me, I hate vinyl records, having a good lie down, and having to get up every 15 minutes to turn the sides over, annoying

[do_androids_dream]

the issue is not that it's better quality than cd/dvd etc, that much is evident.

Yes, it always will be a degradation - to varying degrees depending on the actual music itself - of the original audio.

it is more to do with the fact that vinyl records are a tangible artifact. it's tactile, it has noise, comforting sounds of crackles and little skips that make you feel warm inside

It's funny - I never developed this nostalgic feeling for vinyl despite having 1000's of records. I appreciated the odd pressing that sounded very good but, in general, I was always aware that vinyl is a set of compromises. With a lot of recordings I used to prefer the sound of the cassette release.

the ultimate downside with digital is that it is so pure and remote.

Well, it's just a perfect copy of the original file. I don't really see how that's 'so pure and remote'. Do you think that your own music is 'so pure and remote' when you're composing it in a DAW? It is what it is.

in that sense i think is what the poster meant. it's not a clinically technical issue.

No, the poster talked about audiophiles and quality - indicating more of a 'clinically technical' issue. The assertion 'so with cd you don't hear everything' is completely untrue along with the snapshot idea - again, untrue.

[waiting man]

so glad it's not monkeyshocking, superrolling, zeroflowing, academic masturbation.
bypassed this initial fear, it's nice and mellow.

it should be called "bananas" and have no packaging, though.

[inkwarp]

the issue is not that it's better quality than cd/dvd etc, that much is evident.

Yes, it always will be a degradation - to varying degrees depending on the actual music itself - of the original audio.

it is more to do with the fact that vinyl records are a tangible artifact. it's tactile, it has noise, comforting sounds of crackles and little skips that make you feel warm inside :)

It's funny - I never developed this nostalgic feeling for vinyl despite having 1000's of records. I appreciated the odd pressing that sounded very good but, in general, I was always aware that vinyl is a set of compromises. With a lot of recordings I used to prefer the sound of the cassette release.

the ultimate downside with digital is that it is so pure and remote.

Well, it's just a perfect copy of the original file. I don't really see how that's 'so pure and remote'. Do you think that your own music is 'so pure and remote' when you're composing it in a DAW? It is what it is.

in that sense i think is what the poster meant. it's not a clinically technical issue.

No, the poster talked about audiophiles and quality - indicating more of a 'clinically technical' issue. The assertion 'so with cd you don't hear everything' is completely untrue along with the snapshot idea - again, untrue.

if you had read my post properly you would see i wasn't talking about technicality, i was talking about the quality as an artifact, an object and of a certain warmth that vinyl has that dvd lacks. i's called an opinion.
i also do not consider myself nostalgic, i just stated some reasons of why i like vinyl.
i don't know what you mean by 'a set of compromises'?
my point about the remoteness of a dvd was to do with a difference in the quality of the vinyl record as a tangible artifact that you can feel and, as i said, there is a certain beauty to their fragility. they need caring for. there is not such relationship ( imo) with dvd etc.
this is why people like aphex release vinyl and cassette.
how do you know what music i make? i play acoustic stuff, guitar etc. but when it comes to putting out some stuff, then i consider ideas for designing an object that people will get as an artifact with art and notes. it's a complete package.
what does ' so with a cd you don't hear everything' mean. i didn't say anything like that...
as i said, it's not an issue of what is superior, it is a question of a different quality for differing forms. i was simply pointing out qualities that make analog v dvd different.

[do_androids_dream]

First of all.. sorry, I was confusing some of your post with what ATS said.

i don't know what you mean by 'a set of compromises'?

Right (rolls sleeves up).. in order to 'cut' vinyl with a signal that 'works' (ie. maximises volume/doesn't throw the needle out of the groove/minimises distortion) you sometimes have to compromise many things about your music. When you master for vinyl you are essentially making a 'vinyl version' of your track. When compared to a digital signal there is: decreased high frequency content (closer attention paid to hf content - de-essing etc.); the need to carefully observe stereo phase - making sure that out of phase signals are addressed (which may mean a narrower stereo field on some tracks - or sections of tracks); the need to mono-ise heavy bass content; a limit to the amount of compression and limiting that can be applied (can be viewed as a good thing) as too much causes distortion; rules for running order because, in general, quality degrades - limitations increase - as the needle moves further towards the middle of the record.

The other, general, compromise is that cutting anything to vinyl will result in added distortion and increased noise floor.

my point about the remoteness of a dvd was to do with a difference in the quality of the vinyl record as a tangible artifact that you can feel and, as i said, there is a certain beauty to their fragility. they need caring for. there is not such relationship ( imo) with dvd etc.

I guess I don't place much importance on the format. I just want to hear the music as it was intended to be heard.

how do you know what music i make? i play acoustic stuff, guitar etc. but when it comes to putting out some stuff, then i consider ideas for designing an object that people will get as an artifact with art and notes. it's a complete package.

My comment was not to do with particular types of music. It was to do with the captured signal.

what does ' so with a cd you don't hear everything' mean. i didn't say anything like that...

Sorry, that was what ATS said.

[inkwarp]

no worries.
i shouldn't write messages. i am very bad at them.
it's a moot issue as you say, at the end of the day music is music.
re: vinyl ( it's the sleeves i miss )
peace

[Daags]

https://twitter.com/marie_wyer/status/7 ... wsrc%5Etfw

sound as f**k

[Numanoid]

AFX like a virus?

The guy behind the Touched compilation series, also infected

[Daags]

also, brief piece/interview with the young lad, via his mammy:

http://www.culturecreature.com/ryan-wye ... phex-twin/


feels.