KVR Audio

lowkey · Post by **lowkey** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:19 pm

Pretty well.

I have Trackton on my main monitor and effects/VST on the other.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:43 pm

lowkey wrote:Pretty well.

I have Trackton on my main monitor and effects/VST on the other.

With that you mean I can move vst's outside tracktions window?

I really should give it (another) try ..

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:56 pm

christianmusicmaker wrote:Cubase.net seems to be full of complaints compared to other forums like Tracktion at KVR.

when tracktion has as a userbase as large as cubase, we'll see how quiet and content everyone is.
cubase has always been smooth and stable on my system.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 1:58 pm

monkeymandarin wrote:
cptgone wrote:I've never used Tracktion, but I'm told Tracktion is object oriented, meaning you can apply FX to snippets of parts on the same track.

In Cubase, if you want some chorus on a small part of a guitar take, you'll have to use an extra channel, or use automation.

I think you can do the same in Cubase SX with "offline processing" to a clip

Yes, indeed! But that applies only to audio tracks... and it's 'static' processing: you pick an effect, choose a preset and apply it. There's no tweaking knobs while processing.

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:22 pm

bluedad wrote:
christianmusicmaker wrote:Cubase.net seems to be full of complaints compared to other forums like Tracktion at KVR.
when tracktion has as a userbase as large as cubase, we'll see how quiet and content everyone is.
cubase has always been smooth and stable on my system.

Hi bluedad, I agree it will be interesting to see as Tracktion is the new kid on the block but it's not a bad start.

DevonB · Post by **DevonB** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:31 pm

Cubase SX 1 and 2 are BOTH very stable on my system. I love how people are 'I can just write with Tracktion'. Ya can with Cubase, or Logic or Sonar as well. Writing is not inherently more difficult, or at least I'm not seeing what they're seeing. Just got to come to grips with the features and what is where, and ignore the rest.

Another big con with Tracktion is no proper mixer. Can you even do group bussing with it? No video syncing killed it for me too, which is a requirement for me.

Devon

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:42 pm

DevonB wrote:Another big con with Tracktion is no proper mixer.

I don't need a mixer. I just need what a mixer does. You are using the term mixer to describe an appearance not functionality. Tracktion's interface *is* the mixer, and the functionality is there.

Can you even do group bussing with it?

Since the first release.

No video syncing killed it for me too, which is a requirement for me.

That's an issue for a lot of people. It hardly makes Tracktion a poor sequencer though, especially for such a young product.

Armadillo · Post by **Armadillo** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:50 pm

DevonB wrote:Another big con with Tracktion is no proper mixer.
Devon

There is NOW.

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:53 pm

The one thing I really miss in Tracktion (and Live 4) from Cubase is linked/aliased clips. There's more that I miss in Live 4 and T that's not in Cubase though.

valley · Post by **valley** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:00 pm

Lunch Money wrote: -Bundled FX and instruments are more basic

Evidently that is changing:

http://www.kvr-vst.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52617

Bennett · Post by **Bennett** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:24 pm

I've been an SX user since it came out. Great program. Didn't upgrade to SX2 though as the "new" features didn't warrant the additional cost to me. I'm also an former Logic user.

Firstly - all the modern sequencers are comparable and useful, the "fit" for your needs and style is where it comes down to. These are just tools, not an end in itself.

SX is a VERY capable program. Its strength is its myriad features, but it is equally weighed down by these features. Some users need features like scoring, video integration, 6.1 channel etc. but I do not. SX's "bread and butter" functionality is rather plain though. For example, its built in effects are basic at best (actually quite clean sounding in most cases, but without any character).

As visually impressive as the "virtual studio" interface may, the novelty was lost on me when I had to keep switching between interfaces and knobs to get work done. For my style of workflow, it seemed that I spent as much time fooling with the interface as much as recording music.

With this annoyance in mind, I sought out Tracktion to get a simple and elegant workflow which most of the "big name" tracking programs offer. This is Tracktion's strength. Tracktions only "weakness" is that its midi editing is rather basic, but that is due to change (by popular demand) in future releases.

The only audio feature I miss from SX is loop recording. SX also has non-destructive audio editing, but with Tracktion you don't need it as you have simple drag and drop functionality to apply audio processes to clips. There is no need for a separate interface with separate tools to perform audio processes.

There are numerous features unique to Tracktion. For example the project handling and export function really aids in collaborative workflow as you can minimise audio (using Ogg Vorbis) and midi into a single archive. This way you can transmit a single compressed file on-line. The freeze and per-track render functions in Tracktion are more flexible than SX's. Even simple things like drag and drop reordering of effects on a track (how many times did you want to experiment with the sound of reording effects but couldn't in SX). Rack Filters are another creative world in themselves.

Tracktion is limited when it comes to included effects, but really that is not a liability as you don't pay for features and effects you wouldn't use anyway. Besides there are numerous freeware effects which are quite superior to SX's (Kjaerhus for example). Sure you could d/l and use the same in SX, but the advantage is that the money you save with Tracktion allows you to buy effects which you would really want to use.

At the end of the day though, the tool of choice has to be what works best for your workflow and style.

bluedad · Post by **bluedad** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:27 pm

Bennett wrote:
At the end of the day though, the tool of choice has to be what works best for your workflow and style.

well that sums it up nicely.

seamoss · Post by **seamoss** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:32 pm

bluedad Posted:

when tracktion has as a userbase as large as cubase, we'll see how quiet and content everyone is.
cubase has always been smooth and stable on my system.

I couldn't agree more

DevonB Posted: Cubase SX 1 and 2 are BOTH very stable on my system. I love how people are 'I can just write with Tracktion'. Ya can with Cubase, or Logic or Sonar as well. Writing is not inherently more difficult, or at least I'm not seeing what they're seeing. Just got to come to grips with the features and what is where, and ignore the rest.

Another big con with Tracktion is no proper mixer. Can you even do group bussing with it? No video syncing killed it for me too, which is a requirement for me.

I couldn't agree more

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:32 pm

bluedad wrote:
Bennett wrote:
At the end of the day though, the tool of choice has to be what works best for your workflow and style.
well that sums it up nicely.

Agreed..very well said.

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:35 pm

Crackbaby wrote:How does Tracktion work with dual monitors?

I have and use both Tracktion and Cubase SX.

The main reason that I do not use Tracktion more is that the gui can not be resized to the second monitor.

Cubase allows the gui to be opened over 2 monitors and your vsti's float on top.

I think Tracktion 2 is supposed to have dual screen capacity, but who knows when it'll be released. (It's been promised for some time now.

Tracktion vs. Cubase SX Pros ---- Cons ?