All those new filter options, that is awesome for a "small" update
I mean, except Logic, I guess this is one of the biggest ever .(x+1) updates
Phonec 2 has been released! (Updated to v2.4)
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- KVRAF
- 25849 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
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- KVRist
- 247 posts since 31 Oct, 2013
To Jack at Psychic Modulation,
After a bit of time with the new update, the knobs and faders still seem a touch on the sensitive side, even with the bigger interface. Not a huge deal, and the "command" key for Mac lets you make fine adjustments, but if I had any wish for a future update it would be to slow down the default knob and fader adjustment settings as they kind of seem like they are on ice and slide too easily.
Just a thought! Thanks for the update.
After a bit of time with the new update, the knobs and faders still seem a touch on the sensitive side, even with the bigger interface. Not a huge deal, and the "command" key for Mac lets you make fine adjustments, but if I had any wish for a future update it would be to slow down the default knob and fader adjustment settings as they kind of seem like they are on ice and slide too easily.
Just a thought! Thanks for the update.
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- KVRAF
- 2057 posts since 3 May, 2014
I agree on the speed of the knobs,I'd like to see the default speed reduced to the speed of when shift/command is held & those then adjusted for super fine tweaking
But what an update,great improvements on the GUI & filters options.
But what an update,great improvements on the GUI & filters options.
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jack [psychicmodulation] jack [psychicmodulation] https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2588 - KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1566 posts since 24 Apr, 2002 from New Orleans, LA
I kept getting ideas. I actually had to stop myself.Numanoid wrote:All those new filter options, that is awesome for a "small" update
I mean, except Logic, I guess this is one of the biggest ever .(x+1) updates
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jack [psychicmodulation] jack [psychicmodulation] https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2588
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1566 posts since 24 Apr, 2002 from New Orleans, LA
Now that you mention it, they do seem a little sensitive. I will make note of this.jbw wrote:To Jack at Psychic Modulation,
After a bit of time with the new update, the knobs and faders still seem a touch on the sensitive side, even with the bigger interface. Not a huge deal, and the "command" key for Mac lets you make fine adjustments, but if I had any wish for a future update it would be to slow down the default knob and fader adjustment settings as they kind of seem like they are on ice and slide too easily.
Just a thought! Thanks for the update.
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- KVRist
- 334 posts since 4 Sep, 2014
Where do I download the update at? Or can i just use the demo?
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jack [psychicmodulation] jack [psychicmodulation] https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2588
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1566 posts since 24 Apr, 2002 from New Orleans, LA
PM sentchili beans wrote:Where do I download the update at? Or can i just use the demo?
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- KVRist
- 334 posts since 4 Sep, 2014
NVM. Got it...found the email sent 1 day ago for the update installers. Thanks for the update!!jack [psychicmodulation] wrote:PM sentchili beans wrote:Where do I download the update at? Or can i just use the demo?
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jack [psychicmodulation] jack [psychicmodulation] https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2588
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1566 posts since 24 Apr, 2002 from New Orleans, LA
I want to go into a little more detail about the features of this update. I feel like some of the features need a bit of explanation, especially the new Logic control, but I'll go through all the features right here. I'll also add this to the Psychic Modulation forum post here for a quick reference.
New and improved GUI
Obviously the GUI is much larger, and I hope that it works well on most of your displays. I didn't want multiple versions, so I had to go with a perfect all around size. I hope I accomplished that.
Improved filter
I always felt the filter was lacking and even with the initial release of v2, not much had changed in this department. So I did a bit of an overhaul. The Filter Separation control can really do interesting things to the overall sound of the filter, especially at higher resonance. Here's how it works. When 3x is activated, a 3rd stage is added. The separation control separates the 12/24db filter from the 3rd stage. In other words, the amount of filter cutoff sent to the 3rd stage is less with more separation, resulting in a splitting of the two. If that makes sense.
The resonance switch allows the HPF to follow the main resonance control if needed.
Improved resonance response
I'm sure many have noticed the extreme level that high resonance could produce in LPC mode. It could be obnoxious at times and I thought it was something that needed correcting. Especially when rapidly switching the randomizer. You don't want insane peaks jumping out at you. So we tamed that a little. We also made some adjustments to the way the levels work in relation to the gain. All of this makes for a much smoother sound. Also the gain can be turned off if for some reason it introduces unwanted limiter noise.
The Gain control can also be set to pre/post filter which can both have very different results.
Filter can now follow amp envelope
I thought this would be a useful feature for creating simple, oldschool sounds. I like mono synths that have this limitation, it just sounds cool. So now we can have this optional limitation when we want it.
New copy/paste functions on Oscillator and Filter sections
Chris gave me this idea, and I thought it would be very useful for quick patch creation, or even for taking elements from one patch and mixing with another.
New Logic control for And/Or/Xor modes for fine-tuning logic switching point
The idea for this came up in a long conversation with Bryan from Bedroom Producers Blog, while explaining to him how the three modes work. Basically when in any of these modes, the resulting output is based on the peaks of the waveforms, so you get what sounds kind of like a pulse wave. This is using 'precise logic' where the switching point is directly above 2.5v = High and below 2.5v = Low. What this new 'Logic' control does is fine tune this switching point so that an undecided area of the waveform is allowed to creep in. This is very unconventional and can result in some weird gritty sounds.
Modwheel can now follow Aftertouch controls
Originally I wanted to add a simple dropdown for choosing Modwheel assignments, but there would be conflict with the MIDI learn system. So Chris mentioned combining the Modwheel with the Aftertouch panel as a way around this, and I really like the way it turned out. I haven't noticed many synths that assign multiple parameters to modwheel or aftertouch. I think these features combined can make Phonec a very expressive instrument.
New randomization switch for internal Melt settings
I'm not sure if everyone knows about the internal Melt settings, but I thought this would be a good way to get more use of it. The Melt effect can have very different characteristics depending on these hidden controls. The randomization switch makes experimenting with them much easier.
Volume set lower on default patch bank
A few people have mentioned that Phonec was a little louder than it should be, and this is true, especially with polyphonic sounds. So a quick fix was to just lower the volume on all the default patches. This will at least eliminate having to turn it down overtime Phonec is loaded up.
New INIT patchbank to call up 128 initialized patches
This was by request, and I don't see why I didn't include one sooner. 128 blank patches right at your fingertips. Just click the hexagon and select INIT.
New and improved GUI
Obviously the GUI is much larger, and I hope that it works well on most of your displays. I didn't want multiple versions, so I had to go with a perfect all around size. I hope I accomplished that.
Improved filter
I always felt the filter was lacking and even with the initial release of v2, not much had changed in this department. So I did a bit of an overhaul. The Filter Separation control can really do interesting things to the overall sound of the filter, especially at higher resonance. Here's how it works. When 3x is activated, a 3rd stage is added. The separation control separates the 12/24db filter from the 3rd stage. In other words, the amount of filter cutoff sent to the 3rd stage is less with more separation, resulting in a splitting of the two. If that makes sense.
The resonance switch allows the HPF to follow the main resonance control if needed.
Improved resonance response
I'm sure many have noticed the extreme level that high resonance could produce in LPC mode. It could be obnoxious at times and I thought it was something that needed correcting. Especially when rapidly switching the randomizer. You don't want insane peaks jumping out at you. So we tamed that a little. We also made some adjustments to the way the levels work in relation to the gain. All of this makes for a much smoother sound. Also the gain can be turned off if for some reason it introduces unwanted limiter noise.
The Gain control can also be set to pre/post filter which can both have very different results.
Filter can now follow amp envelope
I thought this would be a useful feature for creating simple, oldschool sounds. I like mono synths that have this limitation, it just sounds cool. So now we can have this optional limitation when we want it.
New copy/paste functions on Oscillator and Filter sections
Chris gave me this idea, and I thought it would be very useful for quick patch creation, or even for taking elements from one patch and mixing with another.
New Logic control for And/Or/Xor modes for fine-tuning logic switching point
The idea for this came up in a long conversation with Bryan from Bedroom Producers Blog, while explaining to him how the three modes work. Basically when in any of these modes, the resulting output is based on the peaks of the waveforms, so you get what sounds kind of like a pulse wave. This is using 'precise logic' where the switching point is directly above 2.5v = High and below 2.5v = Low. What this new 'Logic' control does is fine tune this switching point so that an undecided area of the waveform is allowed to creep in. This is very unconventional and can result in some weird gritty sounds.
Modwheel can now follow Aftertouch controls
Originally I wanted to add a simple dropdown for choosing Modwheel assignments, but there would be conflict with the MIDI learn system. So Chris mentioned combining the Modwheel with the Aftertouch panel as a way around this, and I really like the way it turned out. I haven't noticed many synths that assign multiple parameters to modwheel or aftertouch. I think these features combined can make Phonec a very expressive instrument.
New randomization switch for internal Melt settings
I'm not sure if everyone knows about the internal Melt settings, but I thought this would be a good way to get more use of it. The Melt effect can have very different characteristics depending on these hidden controls. The randomization switch makes experimenting with them much easier.
Volume set lower on default patch bank
A few people have mentioned that Phonec was a little louder than it should be, and this is true, especially with polyphonic sounds. So a quick fix was to just lower the volume on all the default patches. This will at least eliminate having to turn it down overtime Phonec is loaded up.
New INIT patchbank to call up 128 initialized patches
This was by request, and I don't see why I didn't include one sooner. 128 blank patches right at your fingertips. Just click the hexagon and select INIT.
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- KVRAF
- 3382 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
It is just getting more complete with this update. Awesome job on the gui (although the knobs are too sensitive, like stated earlier), i love the filters (especially the resonance response) and the copy/paste addition. Really nice overall package!
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jack [psychicmodulation] jack [psychicmodulation] https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2588
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1566 posts since 24 Apr, 2002 from New Orleans, LA
We're working on a fix for the control speed now, but it won't be available until the next update. In the meantime, did you know that you can input values directly by double-clicking in the bottom window?jbw wrote:To Jack at Psychic Modulation,
After a bit of time with the new update, the knobs and faders still seem a touch on the sensitive side, even with the bigger interface. Not a huge deal, and the "command" key for Mac lets you make fine adjustments, but if I had any wish for a future update it would be to slow down the default knob and fader adjustment settings as they kind of seem like they are on ice and slide too easily.
Just a thought! Thanks for the update.
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- KVRist
- 247 posts since 31 Oct, 2013
Yeah I knew that. The "Command" key on Mac does the job easily enough, but good to hear the default is being worked on.jack [psychicmodulation] wrote:We're working on a fix for the control speed now, but it won't be available until the next update. In the meantime, did you know that you can input values directly by double-clicking in the bottom window?jbw wrote:To Jack at Psychic Modulation,
After a bit of time with the new update, the knobs and faders still seem a touch on the sensitive side, even with the bigger interface. Not a huge deal, and the "command" key for Mac lets you make fine adjustments, but if I had any wish for a future update it would be to slow down the default knob and fader adjustment settings as they kind of seem like they are on ice and slide too easily.
Just a thought! Thanks for the update.
While I have your ear, any chance we could get fraction rates for the sequencer and arp? Currently the rates are: 2, 4, 8, etc. Would be nice to have something less than that: 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, etc.
Why? Well, because say you have a project's tempo already set, there's no way to drop the rate of the arp or sequencer below the project tempo. Everything therefore is faster than the project tempo. Yeah, I suppose a bit of planning would solve that, but sometimes I don't always plan right!
Plus, considering the melting nature of Phonec, seems only logical to have the ability to go slower than the project tempo.
Just another thought!
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jack [psychicmodulation] jack [psychicmodulation] https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2588
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1566 posts since 24 Apr, 2002 from New Orleans, LA
That's a great idea. It would definitely open up the possibilities of the arp/seq working together at very different rates.jbw wrote:While I have your ear, any chance we could get fraction rates for the sequencer and arp? Currently the rates are: 2, 4, 8, etc. Would be nice to have something less than that: 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, etc.
Why? Well, because say you have a project's tempo already set, there's no way to drop the rate of the arp or sequencer below the project tempo. Everything therefore is faster than the project tempo. Yeah, I suppose a bit of planning would solve that, but sometimes I don't always plan right!
Plus, considering the melting nature of Phonec, seems only logical to have the ability to go slower than the project tempo.
Just another thought!
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el-bo (formerly ebow) el-bo (formerly ebow) https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=208007
- KVRAF
- 17922 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
Audio in/Fx version? 
Edit: Just realised this seems possible, but maybe not on all daw's
Edit: Just realised this seems possible, but maybe not on all daw's
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jack [psychicmodulation] jack [psychicmodulation] https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2588
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1566 posts since 24 Apr, 2002 from New Orleans, LA
Yes, it has audio in for using Melt and Echoshifter as an effect, but it doesn't work in some hosts like Cubase.el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:Audio in/Fx version?
Edit: Just realised this seems possible, but maybe not on all daw's