Rob Papen Predator 2 will coming on 25 November :)

[wagtunes]

And I was simply explaining what he meant by "Sounds like freeware."

I'm sorry I didn't realize you were Pyrotek45's official spokesman. The question was directed at him since he made the claim.....But he hasn't answered yet so perhaps his claim is unsupported by facts.

I'm not his official spokesperson. I was just trying to shed a little light on the subject. That's all. But since it appears you're now looking to pick a fight with me, I'm just gonna bow out of this conversation.

Carry on.

[Teksonik]

I'm not picking a fight with anybody (don't forget you're the one who called me "expletive deleted"). Someone made a statement of fact and out of curiosity I simply asked him to back up that statement with examples. But then a couple of geeks jumped in and tried to make it sound like the question was "interrogating" or attempted to answer a question that wasn't directed at them.

Anyway back on the subject of Predator get yourself a proper monitor setup and give it a try. I think you'll like it and I'm confident that version 2 will be even more appealing.

[Numanoid]

Are you 12 years old ?

Pop quiz: Would I rather be an up and coming 12 year old, or a 50+ has been like yourself.

Difficult question for sure

[Teksonik]

Are you 12 years old ?

Pop quiz: Would I rather be an up and coming 12 year old, or a 50+ has been like yourself.

Difficult question for sure

Yep that answered my question. You are indeed 12 years old at least emotionally. But that might be an insult to 12 year olds.....

Ok I'm out.......going to go hang out with other adults.

[fluffy_little_something]

Just downloaded and installed it again, unfortunately the expired demo info is still somewhere on my computer, so I have to live with the noise. But at least it still works, unlike the Dune 2 demo

The big GUI option is really nice, and it sure sounds very good.
It is a very musical synth in my view, the play modes are great, pitchbend is without any stepping, the sound is interesting, so far - after 15 mins - only good things to say
Even the reverb sounds decent, unlike with Sylenth1.

Is there no phase control for the osc's?

[Numanoid]

I'm not picking a fight with anybody

And then:

You are indeed 12 years old at least emotionally. But that might be an insult to 12 year olds.....

Ok I'm out.......going to go hang out with other adults.

Yup that makes sense, like perfect logic

Hope it aint against the law to be young

[mellotronaut]

I'm not picking a fight with anybody

And then:

You are indeed 12 years old at least emotionally. But that might be an insult to 12 year olds.....

Ok I'm out.......going to go hang out with other adults.

Yup that makes sense, like perfect logic

[EnGee]

Easy guys. Let's put our energy and time into Predator instead so all can check and have the best use of it

I agree with FLS that Predator is very musical. Something like Waves Element. Easy to come with new ideas (if Rob Papen left any ).

IMO it's not fair to compare Predator with more recent synths, but I already did to know Predator more, not to know what is the best.

Dune 2 and Serum both can sound thicker and with more clarity than Predator. Lush 101 from the other side, sounds more analog and with strong character. It also sounds thicker and with more clarity. The same also true with Bazille and ACE. But let's not forget it's Predator v1.

If I compare Predator with Waves Element v1, then I do prefer Predator. That made me think that version 2 of Predator should be in the same league with Element 2, Dune 2, ...etc.

Another thing I've noticed is that the first hundreds presets are light, so maybe that gives the impression it is thin. Some of the later presets are not thin at all. The pads are very nice, similar to Albino as I remember, but they are not Diva's pads of course. Anyway, Predator doesn't have to be Diva or Dune 2 to be an interesting synth! It still doing well IMO with that beautiful big show, it's very inviting to explore

Let's see what version 2 comes with

[xx JPRacer xx]

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[recursive one]

Any info or speculation what is going to be added/changed be in v.2?

Judging form the demos on their site, it has nice, musical and balanced but way too thin sound. Maybe a decent filetr drive or a global saturator or character compressor may fix it.

Btw, is Predator supposed to be full replacement for Albino? I found some Albino-based tutorials on Youtube showing how to make certain sounds I may want to use in my music, can Predator recreate the Albino architecture/signal patch with the same or similar sound?

[EnGee]

Is there no phase control for the osc's?

No, but there is "Sym" (Symmetry) control. Isn't the same?

This is from the manual page 7:
"This controls the symmetry of the selected waveform. The effect it has differs from
waveform to waveform, but basically it moves the midpoint of the waveform. It is most
commonly used with the Square waveform. Here the symmetry control alters the "pulse
width" of the waveform, from very narrow pulse waveforms to normal square waves."

[Edit] Sorry, I just realized it is not the same! "Phase Control" is to choose the start point of the wave form, right?

[Synthman2000]

I always thought "Free" resets phase start:

From manual:

"Free on/off When this is turned on, it returns an oscillator to the initial position when you press a new key. When it's off, the oscillator continues from its last position, it is "free -running". This is useful in spread sounds because it removes the initial 'attack' part of the sound"

Although it is not well explained and having "Free" on seems counter intuitive to reset of oscillator phase start.

Predator may not be the thickest sounding synth and the HPF filters can be a bit leaky/fizzy/distorted up top but it is a synth that has character. It is mega fun to tweak and you can lose hours. I personally like the GUI as well, easy on the eyes and fairly modern given how old the synth is. It has aged well.
It is a synth with vibe and reasonably intuitive to program and modify sounds and I will be very interested to run V2 along side it. The effects are a bit weak sounding even though they are very fully featured.

Sonically it has a very clear glassy sound compared to something like Zebra2 which sounds dull and smeered and seems to have a rather unnatural sounding stereo spread. For myself Zebra and Dune have the least Hi-Fi sounding engines.

[fluffy_little_something]

Is there no phase control for the osc's?

No, but there is "Sym" (Symmetry) control. Isn't the same?

This is from the manual page 7:
"This controls the symmetry of the selected waveform. The effect it has differs from
waveform to waveform, but basically it moves the midpoint of the waveform. It is most
commonly used with the Square waveform. Here the symmetry control alters the "pulse
width" of the waveform, from very narrow pulse waveforms to normal square waves."

[Edit] Sorry, I just realized it is not the same! "Phase Control" is to choose the start point of the wave form, right?

Yes, direct pulse width control for all waveforms, in that respect it is way better than Sylenth1 for instance.

The phase control is nice for percussive sounds, its values are usually set in degrees.

[Synthman2000]

Is there no phase control for the osc's?

No, but there is "Sym" (Symmetry) control. Isn't the same?

This is from the manual page 7:
"This controls the symmetry of the selected waveform. The effect it has differs from
waveform to waveform, but basically it moves the midpoint of the waveform. It is most
commonly used with the Square waveform. Here the symmetry control alters the "pulse
width" of the waveform, from very narrow pulse waveforms to normal square waves."

[Edit] Sorry, I just realized it is not the same! "Phase Control" is to choose the start point of the wave form, right?

Yes, direct pulse width control for all waveforms, in that respect it is way better than Sylenth1 for instance.

The phase control is nice for percussive sounds, its values are usually set in degrees.

That does not sound like phase reset upon new note to me.

Pulse width on a square wave is surely manipulation of the fundamental waveform shape It is changing sound source itself and not merely where in the cycle it starts and not the same as oscillator phase reset upon note trigger.

Maybe I am wrong here but I understand phase reset on new note as being exactly that and not changing the fundamental waveform and subsequent harmonics.

[EnGee]

@ FLS: Yes, Thanks. I got it when I loaded Serum
( @ Synthman2000: see image attached, the one for Serum).

For version 2 of Predator, I can predict Unison for every oscillator

By the way, to make the sounds really thick, you can change the Play Mode to Unison 2, 4, or 6 and play with the Detune knob. Unfortunately, You cannot use the ARP with the Unison (as far as I understood).

I really think it is a very nice synth with so many abilities. I'm glad to have it I still love the sound of Dune 2 and Serum though, but they have absolutely different characer. I hope version 2 of Predator doesn't change its character a lot, maybe polish it more by adding more functions. For the GUI, I hope also to keep the same style. It is beautiful IMO.