KVR Audio

beatmangler443 · Post by **beatmangler443** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 4:24 pm

SLiC wrote:
beatmangler443 wrote:Is notion 6 worth $50 folks?
Hell Yes, utter no brainer; but if in doubt demo it (there is a full demo) but make sure you spend at least an hour or two with it before deciding...its a bit of a paradigm shift if you haven't worked with score entry before.

I have been amazed how easy it is to produce music on Notation....I can barely read music but have basic scales etc- just pulling random notes on to an orchestral template and hit play- Whooo - actually sounded good, few bum notes- drag up and down- add some trills, mf, crescendo randomly- bloody hell, real music...a totally different way of working I have never really considered!

You can obviously also play in with a keyboard (or import midi) and then edit and add ornaments in a totally different visual way.

I hadn't realised but there is also a massive free on line library of classical music and scores that you can download, analyse, tweak and change- great for learning or just plagiarising from the very best!

The sounds that come with Notation are worth the 50 bucks alone, I have been using them without feeling the need to swap them out for a bigger library.. (and I have East West Composer, Komplete 11 etc....)

I also bought the iPAD Notation app...you can load from one to the other for portable scoring, and obviously to S1 (haven't tried the integration yet, having too much fun scoring a full orchestra and feeling like a real composer!!)

It's really fun actually. I downloaded the demo for notion 5. What do you like most about it?

Muziksculp · Post by **Muziksculp** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 5:44 pm

Regarding CPU Performance in Studio One Pro v3.3 , how accurate, and/or reliable is the Performance Meter in S1Pro ? Could Studio One be much more efficient than the Performance Meter is showing ?

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:16 pm

Muziksculp wrote:Regarding CPU Performance in Studio One Pro v3.3 , how accurate, and/or reliable is the Performance Meter in S1Pro ? Could Studio One be much more efficient than the Performance Meter is showing ?

I suspect it is one of the more accurate as it also gives you 'per plug' load etc.

It may be slightly less performance than other DAWS in some situations (that is actually my experience just from how much polyphony I can get from certain plugs within S1 against what I get in other DAWS, but it actually depends on the plug, and I have found any plug that runs multicore runs just as efficiently on S13 as it does in DAWS like Reaper)

The reality is that it really doesn't make any difference to a production, S1 has fantastic bounce in place options (one of the best for this) and now also disable tack...

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:33 pm

beatmangler443 wrote:
SLiC wrote:
beatmangler443 wrote:Is notion 6 worth $50 folks?
Hell Yes, utter no brainer; but if in doubt demo it (there is a full demo) but make sure you spend at least an hour or two with it before deciding...its a bit of a paradigm shift if you haven't worked with score entry before.

I have been amazed how easy it is to produce music on Notation....I can barely read music but have basic scales etc- just pulling random notes on to an orchestral template and hit play- Whooo - actually sounded good, few bum notes- drag up and down- add some trills, mf, crescendo randomly- bloody hell, real music...a totally different way of working I have never really considered!

You can obviously also play in with a keyboard (or import midi) and then edit and add ornaments in a totally different visual way.

I hadn't realised but there is also a massive free on line library of classical music and scores that you can download, analyse, tweak and change- great for learning or just plagiarising from the very best!

The sounds that come with Notation are worth the 50 bucks alone, I have been using them without feeling the need to swap them out for a bigger library.. (and I have East West Composer, Komplete 11 etc....)

I also bought the iPAD Notation app...you can load from one to the other for portable scoring, and obviously to S1 (haven't tried the integration yet, having too much fun scoring a full orchestra and feeling like a real composer!!)
It's really fun actually. I downloaded the demo for notion 5. What do you like most about it?

What I like best its simplicity (I was up and running without reading a manual or watching a video..) and the continuous view once I discovered that option! The provided sounds are great (as I said) and I just started with an orchestral template and started adding notes....totally addictive and sounded great! In may ways its a lot faster than a standard linier DAW and you can add things like crescendos and trills really easily, but it has also made me look up a lot of musical notation I probably should know! I am actually (mainly) a guitar player and started messing with the guitar input today- also very impressive!

As an added bonus my 12 year old daughter watched me entering real 'notes' on a stave to make 12 bars of an orchestral score (that actually sounded pretty good) and now thinks I am a musical genius...I may print the score out and put it in a frame!!

jtrake · Post by **jtrake** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 6:46 pm

For situations where you can use high buffers, like mixing, S1 does the job just as good any other DAW. If you actually compose with virtual instruments and amp simulations where you need buffers at 128 samples or lower Studio One falls short. You will have to start bouncing tracks to retain that low buffer/latency way before you would have to if you used any of the other DAWs that has implemented some kind of hybrid audio engine. Almost every other major DAW has an audio engine that runs record enabled tracks with low latency while the tracks that just plays back does this with alot higher buffer, like 1024. This takes the stress of the CPU so that you can retain a lower buffer/latency for recording way longer than without a "hybrid" audio engine.

Who ever claims that S1 is as good as the other DAWs in this respect is wrong and maybe does not realize the issue because they do not record live instruments in larger sessions or they just use it for mixing. Or they think its ok bouncing tracks instead of not having to.

But as all happy S1 users say.. There are other alternatives if S1 does not fit your game

beatmangler443 · Post by **beatmangler443** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:27 pm

jtrake wrote:For situations where you can use high buffers, like mixing, S1 does the job just as good any other DAW. If you actually compose with virtual instruments and amp simulations where you need buffers at 128 samples or lower Studio One falls short. You will have to start bouncing tracks to retain that low buffer/latency way before you would have to if you used any of the other DAWs that has implemented some kind of hybrid audio engine. Almost every other major DAW has an audio engine that runs record enabled tracks with low latency while the tracks that just plays back does this with alot higher buffer, like 1024. This takes the stress of the CPU so that you can retain a lower buffer/latency for recording way longer than without a "hybrid" audio engine.

Who ever claims that S1 is as good as the other DAWs in this respect is wrong and maybe does not realize the issue because they do not record live instruments in larger sessions or they just use it for mixing. Or they think its ok bouncing tracks instead of not having to.

But as all happy S1 users say.. There are other alternatives if S1 does not fit your game

It all depends also on the interface you use and computer.

incubus · Post by **incubus** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:57 pm

Muziksculp wrote:Regarding CPU Performance in Studio One Pro v3.3 , how accurate, and/or reliable is the Performance Meter in S1Pro ? Could Studio One be much more efficient than the Performance Meter is showing ?

Again, it doesn't matter. If you are running a program, and have the CPU meter spiking because it's freaking out that you have ONE INSTANCE OF NI STUDIO DRUMMER with dropouts and stuttering, it's not relevant.

This is insane people. If you don't have the problems, cool. But too many have to dismiss it.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Mon Aug 29, 2016 10:19 pm

Did anyone here try that Control Room external device I posted? If so, any feedback (good or bad, my skin is pretty thick) would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

As they say on Game of Thrones... "Winter is Coming"

... which means (being in Michigan where it snows a lot) I'll likely be hacking away at more stuff on the snowy days.

P.S. They don't document any of that stuff, how to build custom external device UI's and all that so if anyone is interested let me know. I might make a YT series showing how to do it, like maybe making an external device that looks like an outboard hardware reverb or something. It's not that hard, it's just not written down anywhere really.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:23 am

Sorry to bring the cpu usage again, but I think this is the main critisism for S1.

Well, it is not bad at all (the cpu usage), but I'm avoiding Kontakt(Studio Drummer mainly), so maybe this is why!

My normal usage is like the image attached. Reaktor 6 is LazerBass, Reaktor 6_2 is Prism, Reaktor 6_3 is Drive (the ensemble included in the blocks instruments).

Oh I forgot to write that I'm using Presonus iTwo at 44.1 khz and 265 buffer on intel i5-4570.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:34 am

EnGee wrote:Sorry to bring the cpu usage again, but I think this is the main critisism for S1.

Well, it is not bad at all (the cpu usage), but I'm avoiding Kontakt(Studio Drummer mainly), so maybe this is why!

My normal usage is like the image attached. Reaktor 6 is LazerBass, Reaktor 6_2 is Prism, Reaktor 6_3 is Drive (the ensemble included in the blocks instruments).

Oh I forgot to write that I'm using Presonus iTwo at 44.1 khz and 265 buffer on intel i5-4570.

Predator 2?

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 12:43 am

incubus wrote:Don't be sorry just because a handful of people want to try to make you feel bad over it

It's a problem for large number of users.

Ok then, you gave me the green light! I would bother you more!

Here it is aproximately the same project with 88.2khz and 256 buffer:

chk071 wrote: Predator 2?

No! of course not! It is the way Studio One names the tracks! There was a track of Predator that I deleted, so when inserting a new one, it had the name Predator 2

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:02 am

EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote: Predator 2?

No! of course not! It is the way Studio One names the tracks! There was a track of Predator that I deleted, so when inserting a new one, it had the name Predator 2

Aaah... i thought you had a beta installed or something.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:44 am

chk071 wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote: Predator 2?

No! of course not! It is the way Studio One names the tracks! There was a track of Predator that I deleted, so when inserting a new one, it had the name Predator 2
Aaah... i thought you had a beta installed or something.

I wish, but I'm not.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:20 am

progtronic wrote:This thread has gotten really confusing...

Anyway.. guess I'll hold off on the latest update, until they release something more stable.

Many of us have it completely stable (latest Melodize and Windows 64)- I recommend following the threads over that the Presonus forum.

https://forums.presonus.com/viewforum.p ... 9654f55e89

Generally, I use KVR less and less now a days, its a shame but I spend more time muting that reading.

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Tue Aug 30, 2016 10:35 am

SLiC wrote:
progtronic wrote:This thread has gotten really confusing...

Anyway.. guess I'll hold off on the latest update, until they release something more stable.
Many of us have it completely stable (latest Melodize and Windows 64)- I recommend following the threads over that the Presonus forum.

https://forums.presonus.com/viewforum.p ... 9654f55e89

Generally, I use KVR less and less now a days, its a shame but I spend more time muting that reading.

ok, cool.. I'll check that out. thanks.

Two major software announcements from PreSonus: Notion 6 & Studio One 3.3