One Synth Challenge #91: Tyrell N6 v3 by u-he (Taron Wins!)

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Taron wrote:Hey, another u-he synth. Yeah, I wonder, if this one gets me going, but I already have a funny feeling. I can't for the life of me tell why I have such trouble with his sound. It's like it's somehow out of my wheelhouse. Maybe I'll just ignore my own preferences and just see what happens?! :shrug:
I gave it a quick check up and immediately noticed that you can't have a hard attack on a sound with velocity on volume that wouldn't click or rather "knack" in the beginning. It all, otherwise, sounds incredibly round or phat as you might say, but this somehow suffocates me for some reason.
I shouldn't judge too soon, but Podolski was a real nightmare for me musically. I can only hope this will be different.
All i can say is that this is one of the best, if not, the best sounding free synths out there. The only small thing i hoped was that the filter drive would be optional. I mean, it sounds nice, but sometimes you wish for a more clean sweep sound. Apart from that, it's really awesome.

Re the manual: The synth may be self-explanatory for the most part of it, but there's a few hidden things, like the formant/phasey filter thing, which aren't immediately obvious, or the fact that you can drive the oscillators in the mixer, so, the manual could be useful. :) If you speak german of course.

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It's a splendid synth, I'm tempted to do a third one in a row, aagh :D ... Not committing to this one yet, though, but maybe something will come up.

And yeah, shaping the attack in this synth, my experience is very much like Taron's. The body of the sound is spot on, and even the rest of the attack, but the initial transient is easily quite aggressive and needs extra attention. Already getting along with it better, too, though. All in all, it's a fun and great quality subtractive to tweak.

Also, I could use a little tip here: I notice I'm beginning to lean towards classic Vangelis-like sounds (something subconscious about the name, I'm sure), and I'd like to use a reverb similar to Valhalla Vintage Verb, basically anything within that oldie Lexicon territory. Any suggestions on good freeware ones like that? It's so early I know my possible tune might evolve into something completely different, but that's the initial vibe I'm getting :)

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z.prime wrote:
doctorbob wrote:
z.prime wrote:Yes, that and the formant filter on this thing is amazing!!
Eh?? I see no formant filter on my N6 V3.0 (dated 2013)??? I only have filter types LP/HP and BP? Where is it lurking please ...
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Don't you have this? I have the 2015 version.
tyrell-voice-filter.jpg
I programmed this thing up real quick, if you click on it, you can enter words to say, then it just sticks to the MIDI notes you give it, like this:

https://soundcloud.com/z_prime/osc-91-t ... ws/s-G3wFv
Where can I download this version with voice-filter?

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He's joking! ;)

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Well, it's a bad joke for simple people like me.
I installed this damn thing on my both MAC and Win machines in hope to use the filter.

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the latest version of tyrell can be get here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=447455

not sure why it's not updated on amazona

also watch out for your revision number: 3890

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Guenon wrote: Also, I could use a little tip here: I notice I'm beginning to lean towards classic Vangelis-like sounds (something subconscious about the name, I'm sure), and I'd like to use a reverb similar to Valhalla Vintage Verb, basically anything within that oldie Lexicon territory. Any suggestions on good freeware ones like that? It's so early I know my possible tune might evolve into something completely different, but that's the initial vibe I'm getting :)
Have you tried the TAL ones? Also maybe Old School one from Voxengo.

I'd be curious of any others people seem to like.

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try Tal4 reverb or Sanford reverb.
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Thanks guys. Yeah, I have TAL 2 as a placeholder of sorts currently, I'll try all the TAL ones, and the other suggestions as well. And if there's something in the freeware domain that specifically nails the vintage Lexicon era thing, I'm all ears, still :) ...
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Suloo wrote:not sure why it's not updated on amazona

also watch out for your revision number: 3890

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:o

And thanks for this as well, would have thought the Amazona one is current!

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@Chris-S
Awesome info, thank you.
My brain was stuck on using the Matrix to effect Rate-Mod and Depth-Mod instead of those handy Source buttons right below the knobs. :bang:
And thank you for the example patch. Cool sound too.

@rghvdberg
My last German class was almost 30 years ago. Promptly stopped understanding any German at around the same time. :lol:

@Taron
Taron wrote: Honestly, if you take a deep breath and carefully look at the GUI, you can really see everything you need to know, if you know something about synth programming.
Well, other than Helm and a couple days with Tunefish4 I have zero synth programming experience. When I used to dabble in this type of music I was a 100% preset user.
Trying to remedy that now that I have time to devote to learning how to really use a synth. The lack of visual feedback in this synth compared to the two others makes it confusing for me to keep track of what is happening. :shrug:

@Suloo
Thank you for the updated version information. I followed the links on the OSC main page and ended up with an older one. It had no version number in the corner. When I installed your linked version my UI started showing like 1559 in the lower corner in my sound design project. So manually switched the previous VSTi to the new one and now have the 3890 like the image you provided. :tu:
Win10 x64, Reaper 6.XX x64, i5-3330, 8gb ram, GTX-970, UC-33, Panorama P4, Wharfedale Diamond 8.2 and JVC HA-RX700

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Frostline wrote:
@Suloo
Thank you for the updated version information. I followed the links on the OSC main page and ended up with an older one. It had no version number in the corner. When I installed your linked version my UI started showing like 1559 in the lower corner in my sound design project. So manually switched the previous VSTi to the new one and now have the 3890 like the image you provided. :tu:
yea, should probably be linked or mentioned in the intro post as well.
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Frostline wrote:
Well, other than Helm and a couple days with Tunefish4 I have zero synth programming experience. When I used to dabble in this type of music I was a 100% preset user.
Trying to remedy that now that I have time to devote to learning how to really use a synth. The lack of visual feedback in this synth compared to the two others makes it confusing for me to keep track of what is happening. :shrug:
I agree totally about the lack of visual feedback. It would be nice to see some modulation feedback on parameters for sure. It seems pretty consistent, though, which is some remedy. It takes some experience with it, though, to fully appreciate modulation possibilities, because they are curiously spread out.
Anyway, I did mention that you have to have experience with synth programming to appreciate the self-explanatory aspects.
The formant thing, by the way, is rather "tips and tricks" and not a hidden feature. You have a variety of filter options, which are all visible, and you can experiment with the parameters to achieve such effects. Those are pretty fantastic, by the way. I just made a very interesting choir from scratch, where the modwheel can fade between kind of an "oh" to and "ah", though one should only use it as a switch rather than sweeping through, hmmm. But it's interesting. It needs a thick reverb, though!

Anyway, we've had plenty of synths here that were truly convoluted and far from being self-explanatory.
Tyrell does sound pretty dirty, though. Kinda cool. Oh, and I made some really interesting drums already, too! Nothing much, but promising for sure. :pray:

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While waiting for my Muse to come I spent some time to translate the manual to English with Google.
So, here it is with slight and mostly zero editing :)
Tyrell_N6_Handbuch Google translated.rtf.zip
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sfiks, that's rockin' :tu:

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