Do you still use 32 bit plugins?

[dellboy]

"Guenon wrote:

"They fit into your apartment and don't cost as much, and you can also
compose on a train with them? "


Something that Mozart - Beethoven - Schubert Et Al did in there heads,and put there composition onto paper with ink. It eventually got played on a real piano.I am sure that if any great composer came back today they would have immense fun at first with virtual instruments,but would still compose in there head and use only the real thing. I do have all the usual suspects Kontakt 5 - Structure 2 (which came in the air instruments bundle) Sampletank 3 etc. But quite frankly I still love the raw sound of the free Proteus and the now dated Dimension Pro which rely more on filters,and articulations etc. Big samples will never best great programming. They seem to lack "soul".

But back to the "myth".

I agree with you on most of your points,they are mostly valid,but it is the pressure to upgrade and keep up with all the latest stuff for the sake of upgrading with no real pressing need to.

[Guenon]

I am sure that if any great composer came back today they would have immense fun at first with virtual instruments,but would still compose in there head and use only the real thing. I do have all the usual suspects Kontakt 5 - Structure 2 (which came in the air instruments bundle) Sampletank 3 etc. But quite frankly I still love the raw sound of the free Proteus and the now dated Dimension Pro which rely more on filters,and articulations etc. Big samples will never best great programming. They seem to lack "soul".

Ok, what happened to "no matter how many tools we have at our disposal,no tool is better than real musical talent and very hard work and practice" ? Does someone who chooses to use samples actually need to think it over and get a gear upgrade (and a physical piano, and so on), or is "no tool better than real musical talent" true only when using the same kinds of instruments you personally like?

[dellboy]

Ok, what happened to "no matter how many tools we have at our disposal,no tool is better than real musical talent and very hard work and practice" ? Does someone who chooses to use samples actually need to think it over and get a gear upgrade (and a physical piano, and so on), or is "no tool better than real musical talent" true only when using the same kinds of instruments you personally like?

I should put my posts into context.

Back in the 1980s I owned a real piano and an acoustic and electric guitar. Then a friend convinced me that electronic music was the way to go,and I have been on the constant upgrade merry-go-round ever since.Back then samples were 8 bit,and kilobytes in length. But we were soon wooed into getting the latest samples measured in whopping great one, or even two megabytes of ram. These samples were grainy and had distinct loop points.But these problems were solved with bigger samples and better programming long ago. We now live in the gigabyte era,and will eventually enter the terabyte world of sampling,but the only people who will make full use of these tools will be the likes of Hans Zimmer,who has real composing genius,just like our friends Mozart et al. So for those on KVR who need those tools then maybe ever bigger samples will satisfy their needs.But most of what I hear on this forum is of the edm type genre,and big samples are surplus to requirements for this.

[Guenon]

the only people who will make full use of these tools will be the likes of Hans Zimmer,who has real composing genius,just like our friends Mozart et al. So for those on KVR who need those tools then maybe ever bigger samples will satisfy their needs.But most of what I hear on this forum is of the edm type genre,and big samples are surplus to requirements for this.

I get where you're coming from; I started out on 8 bit machines myself . The thing is - and I'm not trying to be combative here - if you say "a good musician will make good music with anything much to hand" (and at the same time imply that you don't need large sample libraries if you're good enough), and on the other hand point out that people aren't good enough to put large libraries to good use, then... I don't know, man.

It's

Hans Zimmer used all his musical skill to get around all the inherent problems of short samples, and with 150 film scores to his credit,many of them in the 8 bit to 16bit eighties they still sound good to my ears.

and

the only people who will make full use of these tools will be the likes of Hans Zimmer,who has real composing genius

at the same time, see?

That's presenting an opinion and backing it up with extreme cases at the opposite ends of the spectrum, using the same person as an example. And similarly, regarding the "not good enough" - "extremely skilled" continuum, in reality, there's a multitude of uses for something like a realistic (or semi-realistic) orchestral library, in between the two extremes of "lacks in skill and doesn't do genres that really benefit from tools like these" and "is Hans Zimmer and uses everything to its fullest." It really isn't either/or.

I'm sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine, when people start dictating what tools one should or shouldn't use, like it's somehow bad to pick up certain kinds of gear. Personally, I'm all for crafting unlikely sounds with unlikely equipment, hah ... But it's perfectly okay if someone takes another route and invests in some kick-ass Spitfire libraries, for example, and excels with those. Just learn and use anything that really gets you the sound that suits you and what you're doing - and suits what your potential clients have in mind, too, if you're going for paid projects.

In the end, we kind of agree, I just personally don't like to call some specific methods "a myth" when so many great results come out of those, too.

[wesleymayhem]

I have so many 32bit lofi gems... I do have Vienna Ensemble Pro set up so that I could use them but not very straightforward to do when the 32bit vsts are effects. Instruments are straightforward. Are people having a good experience with JBridge for 32bit vst effects?

[zeep]

I'm still using 32 bit plugins, even though i run into memory issues soo often. A big reason for not switching to 64 bit yet is because i have to reinstall, and redownload everything. I fear activation issues with old plugins where the devs have stopped doing business.

[billw]

Strictly 64-bit on Mac El Capitan.

[wesleymayhem]

I'm still using 32 bit plugins, even though i run into memory issues soo often. A big reason for not switching to 64 bit yet is because i have to reinstall, and redownload everything. I fear activation issues with old plugins where the devs have stopped doing business.

Same with me... The time it would take to redownload and install and activate all the 64bit versions of the plugs I have would take up a lot of time that I don't have.

Using Vienna Ensemble Pro solves 32bit memory problems. It's pretty amazing. It can be run on the same machine as your DAW or other networked machines.

[Guenon]

Strictly 64-bit on Mac El Capitan.

I first read: "Secretly 64-bit"

[Mister Natural]

funny that you ask as up until several weeks ago, I was 32bit.
With the transition to WIN10. I took the plunge and changed all my critical plugs to 64bit. LIVE and everything except my old Bootsie plugs, le Cab, and CamelPhat which I couldn't find my old 64 bit installer.

Frankly, everything sounds exactly the same
:=)

Do you notice a performance difference that is related to your DAW and plugins being 64 bit?

No

[Obsolete236871]

On a sidenote: did anyone try to use VarietyofSound / Bootsy plugins with JBridge? I would love to continue using them, but in Studio One 3.2 64 bit and JBridge, they don't work properly. I can load them with JBridge, but after some time they cause problems / don't work.

[Zookes]

Still using 32-bit.
Mostly these: Robin Schmidt Music Engineering Tools

Equivalents in 64-bit cost too much or lack functionality.

[electro]

[These samples were grainy and had distinct loop points.But these problems were solved with bigger samples and better programming long ago. We now live in the gigabyte era,and will eventually enter the terabyte world of sampling,but the only people who will make full use of these tools will be the likes of Hans Zimmer,who has real composing genius,just like our friends Mozart et al. So for those on KVR who need those tools then maybe ever bigger samples will satisfy their needs.But most of what I hear on this forum is of the edm type genre,and big samples are surplus to requirements for this.

Terabyte samples? Doubtful. Sampling technology has already reached its limit with companies like Samplemodeling being the most likely example for the future.

[dellboy]

terabyte samples? Doubtful. Sampling technology has already reached its limit with companies like Samplemodeling being the most likely example for the future.

I just viewed the Samplemodeling video,and I am sold,apart from the price,ouch.
But for music scoring professionals it would probably pay for itself quickly. It basically agrees with what I said in my post,big samples are Ok up to a point,but its articulations,vibrato,resonance modelling and others properties of instruments that only great programming can nuance effectively. By the way,I probaly did not make myself clear but I was referring to complete terabyte sampling libraries,and not individual terabyte instruments.

[dellboy]

It's if you say "a good musician will make good music with anything much to hand" (and at the same time imply that you don't need large sample libraries if you're good enough), and on the other hand point out that people aren't good enough to put large libraries to good use, then... I don't know, man.

If someone needs large sample libraries for the type of music that they compose then thats fine by me (I mentioned "wagtunes" (KVR member) as someone who does use large samples. But it is true that good musicians can make most any old thing sound good. I use large samples in some of my songs,but half the time they get lost in the mix. Its just that on this particular forum I seem to only audition EDM type compositions and in my ignorance I don't see the need for huge samples libraries for this. Perhaps you can put me right on this.