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BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 1:58 am

Question about MIDI via USB - does it work for everyone else? Mine shows up in Windows 10 when I plug it in but is curiously absent from the MIDI list in Orion and it doesn't respond to anything sent on it's MIDI channel from Orion. My other new machine, the JP-08, works fine so it's not the Surface Book or Windows 10, it's definitely the Minilogue or the Korg MIDI driver (which is up to date).

stillshaded · Post by **stillshaded** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 3:17 am

BONES wrote:What "particular characteristics"? Going out of tune all the time? The thought that there is anything only an analogue synth can do is just rubbish. It's a synth, they all do the same stuff. My whole point is that there is no magic to this thing, just because it's analogue.
Personally I hear a pretty significant difference, but the things that I look for in a sound maybe totally different than you.
Then give us some audio examples, musical ones, because I could bombard you all day with audio examples of what even an average V/A can do that this thing can't.

I'm happy to say that I haven't reached the low point that I'm willing to spend my time recording sound clips to win an argument on the Internet. Seems like you have your mind made up anyways.. Plus you have one right in front of you.

And obviously soft synths are more complicated. I'm not going to go over the nuts and bolts because it's been gone over a trillion times on the Internet, digital and analog are different sound generation methods and they sound different. I know people like to think it's some kind of conspiracy that causes all the best studios in the world to have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of analog gear, but I disagree.

If you can't hear a difference that matters to you, good for you. Just do your thing and don't sweat it. I've tried many times to replace my analog stuff but there are just certain situations where softsynths don't do it for me.

Granted, the minilogue has a somewhat "cheap" sound to me, but it still has an interesting sound. The way I would summarize analog qualities are that there are many tiny little in inconsistencies that add up to more interest to the ear. It's mainly just stuff like the fuzz of PW modulation. Analog cross mod and ring mod also sound waaaay more detailed.

EDIT: and for the record I never said there was anything analog synths can do that soft synths can't. That would be a rediculous statement.

olikana · Post by **olikana** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 4:18 am

if someone can a make photoshop template for panel overlays would be awesome.
here's someone who customized it, the result is questionable..but I'd like to do the same only turning the panel blue or black.

korg would be wise to sell overlays or release the minilogue in different colors. not everyone is keen on silver.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:15 am

stillshaded wrote:I'm happy to say that I haven't reached the low point that I'm willing to spend my time recording sound clips to win an argument on the Internet.

Which is to say you are full of it and you know it.

Seems like you have your mind made up anyways.. Plus you have one right in front of you.

Precisely, which is how I know you are full of it. I can listen to the Minilogue, the Ultranova and my VSTi together, on the same system and there is not a damned thing that makes the Minilogue sound special in any way. It's just a synth with nice oscillators, an average filter (I could never get close to the kinds of bass sounds we rely on from the Minilogue, for example) and just enough modulation possibilities to make it interesting.

And obviously soft synths are more complicated.

Mine aren't. If anything they are less complicated. e.g. The Minilogue has around 60 front panel controls, my most used VSTi, NitrousPD, has around 50. The difference is that my VSTi has complexity in places that make it more versatile - more waveforms, more filter types, variable envelope characteristics, more modulation destinations.

digital and analog are different sound generation methods and they sound different.

No they don't, that's my point. We may not be able to create the complexity of the human brain in software but we sure as hell can make identical waveforms to any that exist in the real world.

I know people like to think it's some kind of conspiracy that causes all the best studios in the world to have hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of analog gear, but I disagree.

No, it's ignorance and cognitive bias in all its glory. After all, look how many people still believe there is a god, despite the fact that modern society has no need of religion at all. For those studio owners/operators to accept that anyone can make great music with a few hundred bucks worth of equipment would be to accept that their business is living on borrowed time and/or that they are taking advantage of their clients' delusions.

I've tried many times to replace my analog stuff but there are just certain situations where softsynths don't do it for me.

Yet, again, you can't find one to illustrate your point. I couldn't wait to get rid of all my analogue gear, it was the pits. Even the ones I liked, like my Mono/Poly, can't hold a candle to a modern V/A. If I can't get the Minilogue working with Orion, it will be equally useless to me.

The way I would summarize analog qualities are that there are many tiny little in inconsistencies that add up to more interest to the ear. It's mainly just stuff like the fuzz of PW modulation. Analog cross mod and ring mod also sound waaaay more detailed.

No they don't. You are just hearing what you want to hear. What sort of cross-mod are we talking about - FM, Hard Sync? It can all be modelled. My NitrousPD, for example, has a RANDOM modulator you can assign all over the place to get those little inconsistencies as subtly or obviously as you like. If you gave a talented guy like Richard Hoffman a Minilogue, he could recreate it exactly in software. But what a waste of time that would be when his own filter design so much better.

EDIT: and for the record I never said there was anything analog synths can do that soft synths can't. That would be a rediculous statement.

But that's exactly what you are saying. You are saying they can make sound that digital synths can't, which goes to the very heart of what these things do.

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 6:16 am

olikana wrote:[...] here's someone who customized it [...]

I didn't know Spacedad got a Minilogue.

Cool for him!

Shabdahbriah · Post by **Shabdahbriah** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:13 am

BONES wrote:Question about MIDI via USB - does it work for everyone else? Mine shows up in Windows 10 when I plug it in but is curiously absent from the MIDI list in Orion and it doesn't respond to anything sent on it's MIDI channel from Orion. My other new machine, the JP-08, works fine so it's not the Surface Book or Windows 10, it's definitely the Minilogue or the Korg MIDI driver (which is up to date).

Seems you're not alone.
About 2/3rds down page, this thread gets back on topic. look for:

(user) realtrance: Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 4:20 pm

a lot of details, procedures, and a fix for some. There may be more current ways to resolve it. good luck.

http://www.korgforums.com/forum/phpBB2/ ... sc&start=0

stillshaded · Post by **stillshaded** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:32 am

Yea.. Err not worth my time. I'm not a salesman standing to make money here so it really doesn't matter to me if you think I'm a brainwashed fool living in a fantasy world. If you want to think that my refusal to record audio for some jerk on a forum means I'm full of it, please be my guest.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 11:18 am

Hmm. Personally I would not compare my JP8000 to Minilogue. They are just used for each their stuff and cannot replace each other for what I want. And how I use them is personal too, e.g. I mainly use Minilogue as mono bass synth, not a polysynth, taking advantage of the ability to layer 2 of the voices as 1 octave or 2 octaved subs in mono mode or just spread the voices in dual and unison mode. I can acheive the same "type" of sound with my JP8000 but it doesn't got the tone of Minilogue, which is the one I want. My JP8000 shines to me when used for pads or crossmod stuff and digitalish things beyond analog emulation. I also make use of its neglected "feedback waveform",which gives it very interesting metallic flavours that are usually drowned in discussions about its supersaw waveform, which I do not use as such.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:46 pm

stillshaded wrote:Yea.. Err not worth my time. I'm not a salesman standing to make money here so it really doesn't matter to me if you think I'm a brainwashed fool living in a fantasy world. If you want to think that my refusal to record audio for some jerk on a forum means I'm full of it, please be my guest.

Yup... I hear a distinct and clear difference between analog and digital... especially in high notes, digital gets a bit squiggly... you can hear the artifacts. Analog stays clean right up past the point of hearing.

Does it matter? Or matter to most people? That is another question. But when I listen to the two side by side in person, it is easy to hear.

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:57 pm

pdxindy wrote: Analog stays clean right up past the point of hearing.

How do know that?

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:02 pm

pdxindy wrote:squiggly

A nice, new, meaningless word.

pdxindy wrote:you can hear the artifacts

In poorly coded VSTis from before year 2000 and at 44100 without internal oversampling ?

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 8:36 pm

olikana wrote:if someone can a make photoshop template for panel overlays would be awesome. here's someone who customized it, the result is questionable..but I'd like to do the same only turning the panel blue or black.

Are you trolling, olikana? First you posted the lollipop knobs and now a Pinnball Machine? My eyes hurt and my heart is broken. This is too much.

LastSystem · Post by **LastSystem** » Sat Sep 10, 2016 9:15 pm

Hi to all. Greetings from Spain

I want to buy a Minilogue, this would be my first analog synthesizer.
I've looked at other teams, like MiniBrute, Arp Odyssey, MS-20, etc

... but best option characteristics/price, I think is the Minilogue (save presets, polyphonic, keys, manual in spanish)

How good is my opinion?

NEOREV · Post by **NEOREV** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:16 am

LastSystem wrote:Hi to all. Greetings from Spain

I want to buy a Minilogue, this would be my first analog synthesizer.
I've looked at other teams, like MiniBrute, Arp Odyssey, MS-20, etc

... but best option characteristics/price, I think is the Minilogue (save presets, polyphonic, keys, manual in spanish)

How good is my opinion?

Love mine! An inspiring piece of gear. The built in sequencer also has 4 layers of motion control recordings. You can record parameter changes, like knob and switch movements. So you can record the movement of the cutoff knob, resonant knob, delay knob, or any frigging knob into your sequence, even the VCO octave switch. Pretty versatile sounding from basses to hard leads to nice sweet sounds and then some. My friend from Chile just picked up one after my suggestion. He went and tested it on some proper monitors and bought it on the spot.

LastSystem · Post by **LastSystem** » Sun Sep 11, 2016 8:21 pm

NEOREV wrote: Love mine! An inspiring piece of gear. The built in sequencer also has 4 layers of motion control recordings. You can record parameter changes, like knob and switch movements. So you can record the movement of the cutoff knob, resonant knob, delay knob, or any frigging knob into your sequence, even the VCO octave switch. Pretty versatile sounding from basses to hard leads to nice sweet sounds and then some. My friend from Chile just picked up one after my suggestion. He went and tested it on some proper monitors and bought it on the spot.

I hope so

Korg Minilogue